Great Scott #356 – “Dean Cain Said Stuff (Part 1)”

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Superman2878
July 10, 2020 1:25 am

I would say that Superman’s political ideology is in the unknown. Whether if he is conservative or liberal is not known to the fans. Nor should it be known to the fans. To say that he is liberal, would cause offense to those who are conservative who identify with Superman and look up to him, just as saying conservatives would fall in the realm of Lex Luthor, would make them feel judged and labeled as bad. I find those comparisons to be very unfair. This is what I’ve been saying all along. Politics with Superman causes problems for everyone. Fans… Read more »

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Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:18 am
Reply to  Superman2878

You are correct. But this wasn’t about political ideology as much as right and wrong, good and bad. Superman stands on the side of protecting others and helping. Those causes are counter to what the current administration in the US is promoting. In this case, Superman would be left to react in much the way he reacted when Lex Luthor was President. He’d have to wait to catch him in unavoidable criminal activity. Part of the reason they’ve shied a bit away from the use of “The American Way” phrase is that it excludes people. It makes people feel as… Read more »

LarGand
July 10, 2020 2:32 am

Scotty, I am one hundred percent with you on this. Thanks. When I was a kid – Chris Reeve seemed like the living embodiment of everything I thought Superman should be, and his “a friend” line totally summed it up. In the 90s, I really liked that scene where Dean Cain just said Superman was here “to help” – I also liked the fact that the writers deliberately dodged the “American Way” thing. Superman may BE American (immigrant though he is, legal or otherwise), but he is active all over the world, and what he does can’t be thought of… Read more »

Superman2878
July 10, 2020 8:43 am
Reply to  LarGand

“It’s pretty clear to me where Superman would stand.” This is what I was talking about. Let the fans decide on where Superman stands on his beliefs. I don’t want to officially know what those beliefs are. I want to decide for myself on what those beliefs are. 🙂

Superman2878
July 10, 2020 9:01 am
Reply to  Superman2878

To add on to what I said, by labeling Superman for a political agenda, there would be some fans that would feel excluded by his political position. And because of that view, they might feel like they’re being told that they cannot enjoy Superman because Superman isn’t for them. In the comic Superman and the Legion of Superheroes, Superman says ”I’m for everyone”. And he should be for everyone, with no political favoritism of any kind.

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LarGand
July 11, 2020 6:10 am
Reply to  Superman2878

Being “for everyone” doesn’t mean having no political opinions. Superman acts because he knows “that there is a right and a wrong in the universe, and that distinction isn’t too hard to make” (I’m quoting from an old book by Elliott S Maggin, “Superman, Last Son of Krypton”). People’s political opinions generally evolve from their opinions on right and wrong. Superman will save everyone he can, whether Democrat or Republican, Christian or Muslim, Communist or even Fascist, because he values human life above all. Politicians make decisions that help or hurt human life literally ALL THE TIME. You think Superman… Read more »

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Superman2878
July 11, 2020 10:23 am
Reply to  LarGand

When I quoted Superman saying “for everyone”, it was to point out that he doesn’t let politics get in the way on what he does, which is to help. The issue at hand that I’m pointing out is when Scott was comparing Superman with liberals while comparing conservatives to Lex Luthor. Comparisons that are extremely unfair. By saying that, he basically said that if you are liberal, you are like Superman. If you are a Conservative, you are like Lex Luthor. And everyone knows that Superman is good and Lex Luthor is bad. This is something that Superman would never… Read more »

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Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:27 am
Reply to  Superman2878

Helping people is generally thought of as a liberal ideal. That doesn’t mean there aren’t people who are conservative that help. Mainly I’m referring to the current warped view of the Republican party and conservative mindset under our current president.

I also said “typically less evil” when referring to conservatives being like Lex. It was meant to be tongue in cheek, and also, “typically less evil” could mean any amount of less evil, including and up to shining knights ni angellic armor with halos!

Superman2878
July 19, 2020 2:10 pm
Reply to  Scotty V

But you don’t need to be a liberal to help others Scott. That’s what Superman does. He helps those in need. And as far as I know, Superman has never specifically stated that he’s a liberal, a conservative, or anything for that matter.

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Superman2878
July 22, 2020 7:27 pm
Reply to  Scotty V

But by saying conservatism is “typically less evil” is still a form of exclusion. You talk about the American way excluding people but by saying conservatism is “typically a less evil” its actually excluding those who love Superman and have conservative beliefs by saying those beliefs are a form of evil.

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Superman2878
July 11, 2020 11:38 am
Reply to  LarGand

We’re not so different in our fandom for Superman are we? We both love big blue because he’s a good and just person. And that’s what makes him so great. Everyone wants to be as good and just as he is.

Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:24 am
Reply to  Superman2878

You are exactly right. Which is why the use of “The American Way” can be excluding so many people who will then feel left out. Also, choosing good vs evil is choosing a side. Choosing “Truth” and “Justice” is choosing a side. And those are sides diametrically opposed by the current American administration. Superman has traditionally stood against lies and injustice and criminals.

That’s all I meant.

Superman2878
July 19, 2020 3:10 pm
Reply to  Scotty V

But the government is more than just Trump. What about the speaker of the house? The senate? All the branches of government? America has an election coming up, so the people will have a chance to vote who they want in office. If say a Democrat with liberal beliefs takes office, is that not the American way as well? In my opinion, the American way is all about freedom. And part of that freedom is to vote for the position of political office. That’s the beauty of democracy. So that the people can have a say on who governs. I… Read more »

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Superman2878
July 19, 2020 9:29 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

I’ve been giving this a lot of thought. I think I could’ve explained my thoughts better in the last paragraph, so I’m going to try to explain my opinion a bit better since I’m not sure if I explained it well. With all do respect Scott, I see it as Superman stands for the freedoms of America when he says that he stands for truth, justice, and the American way. And that he wants others to have freedom as well. Not something that he’s trying to force on others or exclude others from having, but rather guiding them to the… Read more »

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Superman2878
July 10, 2020 11:07 am
Reply to  LarGand

I hope that my response to your comment didn’t sound mean LarGand. I was only trying to point out that when you said “It’s pretty clear to me where Superman would stand.” that you are going by what you believe on where Superman would stand on political issues. And I respect that. You’re going by what you believe he stands for rather than going by what writers or actors say he stands for. And when you said “So you’re always going to annoy someone when you try to relate Superman to politics.“ I totally agree with that. There will always… Read more »

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LarGand
July 11, 2020 6:14 am
Reply to  Superman2878

No, of course it didn’t sound mean. We’re having a discussion and exchanging opinions. That’s always worthwhile and I’m happy to do that with you.

Superman2878
July 11, 2020 10:14 am
Reply to  LarGand

I’m glad to hear that. Sometimes I wonder if the way I word my sentences come off as rude or mean. I just wanted to make sure it didn’t. Thanks. 🙂

Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:22 am
Reply to  LarGand

You’re exactly right in your estimations of what I’m talking about as well. The current American Administration and its illustrious leader is not much different from where Lex Luthor was during his time as President, in terms of dodging justice, committing crimes and endangering all of us and we, as fans, know, where Superman would stand on those issues.

redcape
July 10, 2020 12:34 pm

First off…Trump NEVER down graded immigrants to anything. He just made it clear the US was no longer going to be the world wide posterior wiper of people walking right into the US and have a benefit machine start rolling. TOTALLY correct in doing so.  And the fact is is that the “American Away” has been terminated by the vary same immigrants that have been welcomed into the US only to have them now try and force the very same politics down our throats that they wanted to escape from. Cain is 100% correct and it’s a losing battle all… Read more »

Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:29 am
Reply to  redcape

Woah.

TheRBBlur
July 10, 2020 5:17 pm

Wow, Scotty, judging liberals as Superman and conservatives as Lex… If you’re really boiling down two broad groups of people into good and bad like that, you have no business talking about politics.

And your whole illegal immigration tangent is ridiculous. You do realize this is a comic book, and the complexities of real world immigration don’t come into play? Right? I mean, right?

Uneducated bias like this is making me rethink frequenting this website. Focus on Superman, not politics.

And yeah, Dean was right. And he’s Superman.

Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:34 am
Reply to  therbblur

Ok. You’re certainly welcome to your opinion. But this piece is my opinion. I can also express such as I see fit. Much of what I do is off the cuff and I thought it would be a funny, tongue in cheek way of putting the description while explaining that Superman cares about all people. I also said “typically less evil.” There is an ideal that both Lex and Trump stand for. That is personal success, wealth and power that liberalism doesn’t typically tout. I’m not saying there aren’t liberals who are rich and have power, or that there aren’t… Read more »

Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:35 am
Reply to  Scotty V

I’m focusing on the current administration mainly. The administration that may very well lead us to the end of the world as we know it, something Superman would certainly stand against. The end of the world I mean.

Kal-Ed
July 11, 2020 1:46 pm

Liberals and conservatives have always been on the opposite side of each other’s spectrum. And sometimes (if not always on each other’s throats) Their views may differ but they….no matter in which country they are residing in, are fighting for a common cause to protect and uphold their standards. Some tend to be easy going about it and some tend to taking those standards to extremes. Take a look at Green Arrow and Hawkman for instance. Two superheroes with two different mindsets. One is the ultimate Liberal…and the other is the ultimate Conservative. And yes….they are almost always at each… Read more »

Scotty V
July 18, 2020 11:37 am
Reply to  Kal-Ed

Very well said. I only broached the subject because it was loosely related to Superman and because I think it needed to be said. I’m afraid for the world right now and I’m most definitely afraid for my country, our people and our survival.