What We Know About Warner Bros., Henry Cavill and Superman

Is Henry Cavill done playing Superman? It’s hard to know what to believe, so let’s go through what we do know…

On Wednesday, September 12 The Hollywood Reporter published an article stating that talks had failed between Cavill’s representatives at William Morris Endeavor and Warner Bros., which meant that he would not be returning to play Superman in any future films.

In response to the article Warner Bros. released a statement saying that “no decisions have been made regarding any upcoming Superman films”. They also went on to state that they’ve “always had great respect for and a great relationship with Henry Cavill, and that remains unchanged.”

We know one thing for certain, Henry Cavill wants to play Superman again. He’s not walking away from the character anytime soon if he has his way. So you can put that thought out of your mind. Henry has been very vocal about his feelings towards Superman. He’s very protective of the character, is a fan of the comic books, and respects the history and signifigance of the Man of Steel.

Cavill is ready and willing to play Superman again and again…

So, if Cavill is still onboard to play Superman, and Warner Bros. still have a good relationship with him, where’s this story coming from?

It’s generally accepted that where there’s smoke there’s fire… So where did The Hollywood Reporter get their information from? According to their published news item, the information came from “Warner Bros. sources”. Now, THR isn’t in the habit of publishing this kind of story without credible research and investigation, so you would have to think that these “sources” are what they say they are.

Here’s where I think the story comes from. When their Warner Bros. sources told THR that the deal for Cavill to appear as Superman in the “Shazam!” movie fell through “because of scheduling conflicts” as Cavill is now involved with the Netflix “The Witcher” series, the writer concluded that due to this deal falling apart (and I’m sure it probably wasn’t something that Warner Bros. were happy about), that the relationship between Cavill and the WB had soured. With Cavill now 35 years old, and no plans for a Superman movie currently in place, the actor would be closer to 40 before he’d have any chance of donning the blue tights and red cape again. And therefore this (as the THR report states) “effectively removes an actor of Cavill’s age”, especially since “Warners isn’t likely to make a solo Superman film for at least several years”.

Add in the fact that the WB has now “shifted its focus to a Supergirl movie”, and the story writes itself.

But just because the clues are there, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they only have one possible conclusion.

Cavill may never play Superman again. That’s quite possible considering what we’ve just listed above. However, he’s not walking away from the character, and Warner Bros. aren’t walking away from him.

While the relationship is still in place, the sad fact is “no decisions have been made regarding any upcoming Superman films”. And that, more than anything else, may be the real hurdle standing in the way of Henry Cavill ever playing Superman again.

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El El Cool Jor
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I really hate WB

MattComics
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MattComics

IMO WB really screwed this up.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Everyone knows my feelings about the WB/DC execs, but Im going to say it again anyway:

They are completely inept reactionary morons who don’t know what the hell they are doing. It’s the blind leading the blind over there starting at the top with Kevin tsujihara and Toby Emmerich. They don’t know how or what to do with the DC properties and announcing 45 movies and having a revolving door of creative officers such as Johns and Hamada is a complete joke.

Lana2k5
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Lana2k5

@sundevil82 – I’ve been saying this for almost 15 years now: Warner Bros. is run by idiots!

Sven-El
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Sven-El

At this point, Yakko, Wakko, and Dot would be an improvement over WB’s leadership.

MattComics
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MattComics

@Sven-El “Wheel of superhero franchise management turn, turn, turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn.”

The_News_Editor
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Anthony Leone

Honestly, they have no idea what they are doing and it’s like watching a train wreck that doesn’t end. Yes, call me bias, but it really shouldn’t be hard to keep actors who are playing your core, popular characters, especially when superhero movies are so popular. Sure, I have had issues with “Man of Steel,” “Batman vs Superman” and the Justice League movie (which they finally got Superman right in the last one, in my opinion). But you would think that since Marvel is knocking it out of the ballpark with the majority of their movies, DC/WB would at least… Read more »

Superman1993
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This story is getting more complicated to follow when it broke as a news story yesterday.

NeoRanger
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NeoRanger

According to Grace Randolph, this was a power play from WB’s part. They “leaked” the rumors to show Cavill and his manager that they’re not as hot as they think they are and that they still need WB and Superman. She also claims (based on sources) that Cavill has become somewhat unpleasant to work with on-set, though this on its own isn’t enough reason to boot an actor (unless they’re just insufferable and Cavill, allegedly, isn’t there yet). If she’s right, it all depends on whether or not they can reach a compromise. Still, there are other factors at play… Read more »

lcmcbain
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lcmcbain

This is WB showing how foolish they are..yet again. Plain and simple.

Marnoman
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Marnoman

If this WAS a power play, then it hasn’t worked. If anything it is just publicising the fact even more that their foundations for DC films are far more flimsier than we all expected.

Hollywood
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At this point, losing Cavill wouldn’t be a huge loss. Now that I’ve said that, let me elaborate to make it clear I’m not knocking the guy. Be it the script writers, the producers, the directors, or whoever you want to lay blame upon, Henry Cavill just hasn’t made much of an impact as Superman. Sure, the die-hard Snyder fans, the DC loyalists and others may insist he ranges somewhere between the greatest Man of Steel since Christopher Reeve to the absolute most amazing of all time, but outside that circle, he’s just not a very big deal. While the… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

You forgot to also blame Goyer. They gave us a wordless Superman and expected everyone to fall all over themselves over the interpretation without putting in the work of giving him charisma, beliefs or his own thoughts. Then they blamed the character and labeled him as unrelatable when in fact it exposed them as crappy writers and directors who can’t write characters properly or give them a proper arc. They can sing until the cows come home about how he was intended to have a 5-movie arc, but good writers and directors can do it in 1-2 movies. Give me… Read more »

afriend
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afriend

I am unabashedly described as “a fan with strong opinions”. And aside from his looks, I don’t think Cavill brings anything to the table. I’m sure the thumbs down will flow like wine, but I truly think I’ve been fair. I’ve seen every film at least twice to make sure that I was giving it a fair shot, I saw the extended cut or BvS to see if it really improved things (honestly, my answer is “a little”). But having paid for six different trips to the theater and a few rentals at the Red Box/Amazon, as a paying customer,… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Wholeheartedly agree with you about Reeve and Reeves, both just oozed charisma. To play devils advocate though, the writers and directors didn’t give Henry anything to do. He has 43 lines in BvS. Which are very short forgettable throw away conversational lines. Nothing that an actor can really sink his teeth into. Snyder is not a character director, he can paint a pretty picture and make characters look cool but beyond that he’s not going to get much out of you. Look at the difference in Gal Gadots performance in BvS and Wonder Woman. She’s not Meryl Streep but Patty… Read more »

afriend
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afriend

I’ll just say this: David Goyer wrote the David Hasselhoff Nick Fury movie. Which I personally like (for entirely unintentional reasons), but isn’t an objectively “good” film.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Well like I said I don’t think he’s bad when contributing to story ideas, but when left to his own devices he is sub par at best.

Hollywood
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I think DC/WB made the decision to go dour based on two things: The Dark Knight trilogy and Marvel. Many probably said dark and gritty worked for Batman. It’ll work for Superman, too. Others probably said, we want to differentiate ourselves from Marvel however we can. Marvel movies are bright and cheery, so we should take another route. No way to prove that, obviously, but it’s just my suspicion. If it’s true, particularly the second thing, I can understand why they did things the way they did. It was a mistake — I thought so then, and still do now… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

While I definitely think BvS is dark and gritty, I don’t believe MoS was. I loved that it took place in a realistic looking world with very little cgi. I always feel the difference with Superman films and other superheroes should be that while others can be fun movies, Superman should always be a film. Thanks to Donner I will always think that Superman should transcend the genre and be taken as seriously as Nolan took Batman. They went completely away from that in the next two films and it suffered as a result in my opinion. As far as… Read more »

JasEl
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JasEl

I agree with most of what you are saying, Cavill was definitely let down by Snyder and Goyer. Cavill is very charismatic in real life and it shows in most of his other movies when he’s allowed to be charming. He really does embody what Superman should be on screen. I will say that Superman is kind of a square in the comics. And you mention that Captain America line when he gets on to Ironman about his language, in the new Man of Steel comic he is rescuing a little girl from a fire, when she says “Holy $#!+”… Read more »

MattComics
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MattComics

@afriend. Not gonna thumbs down you but I will say I think the problem is more the writing and directing than it is him. I mean if the material basically has Superman alternate between looking sad and looking pissed off then of course he’s going to come off as dour. Especially when he’s barely given anything to say! How’s an actor supposed to elevate anything when the character doesn’t get to talk very much at all as either Clark or Superman?

afriend
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afriend

There’s a lot to be said for body language and movement. Like have you ever been taken out of a film by the obvious stuntman who didn’t move like the “name” actor? The latter Roger Moore Bond films come to mind for me.
But I’ll say this: IF, big “if” but still, if Cavill stays, and they get an outstanding script, and a director who can flawlessly stage and shoot a scene (shaky cam should be outlawed!), and Cavill knocks it out of the park; I will recant my criticisms.

Hollywood
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I once spoke with a director who posed the question, “If an actor gives a bad performance, whose fault is it?” Naturally, I said it was the actor’s, but the director said that wasn’t true. The final blame, he said, falls on the director. After all, that director was the one who watched the actor’s performance, and rather than recognize it as bad and demanding another take, he said, “Let’s go with that.” While I don’t agree that an actor should be free of blame, I think he made a great point. Cavill can only do what he’s directed to… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on some of that. Cavill is recognized by more than just the hardcore DC fanboys…the sheer amount of comments on numerous forums, threads, even his own IG in the last 48 hrs has shown that, however Cavill doesn’t have the established resume as RDJ or Evans, so that really is not a fair comparison, not to mention there has never been any Iron Man or Capt. America movies on the big screen prior to the MCU, so it’s obvious RDJ & Evans are going to be instantly recognized as their respective characters.… Read more »

Hollywood
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Oh, it’s absolutely unfair to compare Henry Cavill’s situation with Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans or really anyone in the Marvel films. None of them had to shoulder the history and iconic status of a character the way he did.

However, the situation still is what it is. DC/WB can very easily make Superman movies with or without Cavill. The movie-going public at large will be just as likely to watch a Superman movie with or without him.

afriend
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afriend

If anything, I’d argue that it would be easier to replace Cavill than RDJ or Chris Evans. While there have been other live action Captain Americas (Captains America?), certainly none of them achieved the same pop culture saturation as the current stars. Other characters; Superman, Batman, James Bond, and I think a case can now be made for Spider-Man, have had enough turnover with each iteration achieving it’s own level of pop culture pervasiveness. The audience, on the whole, is smart enough and open enough at this point, that they’d give the next guy to wear the cape a fair… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

There has been a TV movie of Captain America before…. but never on the Big screen. Actors with Bond movies is slightly different as none of them had a connected sequential story arc & were all standalone stories…up until they changed the formula with the Craig Bonds. The only way recasting Cavill would work would be a flashpoint movies with story driven reasons why he is different…otherwise I don’t think the public would buy it..after so much marketing & prom with the “trinity” in the DCEU movies. I just see it as hurting them further just up and replacing him… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Yes there WILL be Superman movies in the future, whether 5 or 25 years from now, but replacing him now while they just set up the “Trinity” is dumb….like trying to slap on a piece of scotch tape on a severe laceration & hope it heals it. Cavill is not the problem nor ever was, neither was Snyder really, it is the execs @ WB…always has been As soon as the shareholders accept that & “reboot” the entire board on WB instead of the movie franchise they own, the better. I have said it before many times for many years…DC… Read more »

afriend
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afriend

1. The first 20 Bond films do have an established continuity. While it doesn’t rely on it so heavily, it at worst uses vague retcons to keep up with younger actors; ie: Traci Bond’s death is explicitly said to have been in 1969 when Bond was played by 50-something Roger Moore. It was “a long time ago” during the decade or so younger Timothy Dalton’s tenure. Craig’s era HAS gotten more continuity heavy though, no argument there (and I generally like two and half of his films). 2. Historically, recasting in similar franchises has been second (or third even) to… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

See, you are confusing continuity with story arcs. Yes all the Bonds shared a continuity buy Craig’s Bonds are the ONLY ones you have to watch parts 1-4 to get the entire story. I fail to see how recasting doesn’t matter to “similar franchises”? Spiderman & Fantastic Four are perfect examples of how it was a very bad decsision…and the backlash from both the movie itself & the actors was ALWAYS a complaint by most & very real. As I mentioned before there was a Captain America TV show or two but 75% of the general audience isn’t aware of… Read more »

afriend
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afriend

“Continuity” vs “Story-arc” is semantics to say the least. It’s pretty clear that any over-arching plan Snyder, WB/DC, Whedon, and any other creative types you want to name was flexible enough to make the changes that have already happened. Even the Craig-Bond story arc clearly wasn’t that well thought out ahead of time (see: liking two and a half films). As for recasting, it always comes down to being good. Pick a franchise that has recast and retooled; if it was poorly received, it wasn’t usually just the casting but the whole figurative ball of wax. Examples include Amazing Spider-Man… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Story arcs would also be continuity but continuity is not always a story arc. Whether or not you feel the Bond movies were rushed or not that great is irrelevant (as I would agree with you as well) …they still make for a 4 movie story arc. We never got to see the DCEU story arc just a butchered & water down 3 movie instead of 5, so we will never know if it would have been better or not…I believe it would have but that is my opinion. The X-men franchise melded the current and previous generation of actors… Read more »

Hollywood
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I’ll have to respectfully disagree about Snyder. Even without the dreaded meddling from on high, his interpretation of Superman (and Batman, for that matter) was just completely wrong.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

I was willing to give the interpretation a pass in MOS because it seemed they were going in a more traditional direction by the end of the film, but that went away when they plunged him even deeper in self doubt and gave him even less to do in BvS. I felt that all Snyder and the producers were going to give us at that point were generic meathead versions of the characters. Which is essentially what he did with the Watchmen characters. Still irks me that he was kept on and allowed to do whatever he wanted after the… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Snyder’s version was from the point of view of a post 9/11, xenophobic world (which emulates more realistically what it would actually be like today than what MCU has set up) & for the most part succeeded…I mean look how we have our news & social media on stuff such as politics, terrorism & such today….Cavill’s recent “rumor” of his future & the “buzz” about it ironically emulates this concept of how we deal with life today on such a negative attitude . The problem was that a lot of people who disliked it assumed Superman would be his smiling… Read more »

Hollywood
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I’m well aware of what Snyder was going for, and I’ve heard the arguments defending it. I don’t want to get into that debate again, so I’ll only say I had no problem with a Superman movie shot through a more jaded lens. My issues had to do with how Superman was portrayed as a character. He was mopey, self-absorbed and kind of a douche. For every person he supposedly saved, he let dozens (if not hundreds) of others die. He shows little regard for the safety of the people in the area, once even casually hopping over a diesel… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

About the only positive from this article is that “no decisions have been made”. And man,….do I ever get tired of the Marvel comparisons. I have seem most of the Marvel stuff as well and I for one think that most of them are totally over rated. Their characters are flat out boring! So the WB is going with this female movement and going to spend coin on a Supergirl movie?? This is totally ridiculous but predictable. Sooner or later the theme of this female butt kicking agenda will end. It’s stupid and playing out in everything that comes from… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

I know you and I don’t share the same opinion on Marvel films and that’s okay, I know they’re not for everyone, but I will say that a major difference and perhaps the most important one when it comes to their approach is that they don’t shy away from who the characters are. They lean into it. Too many times I’ve seen writers change Superman for various reasons because he’s ‘unrelateable’ or he’s ‘boring’ or he’s a ‘boy scout.’ I’m all for changes here and there and I was fine with them going with a more lost version in MOS… Read more »

Hollywood
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This whole notion that men (or, in this case, Superman) are somehow being mistreated or overlooked or neglected or whatever term you’d like to use is really, really tedious. Not that me getting on a soapbox is going to make any sort of difference, but this “women’s movement agenda” argument is just false. There’s virtually no evidence to support, and a LOT of evidence to dispute it. Excluding team-up films like the Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy, Marvel has released 15 movies in their cinematic universe. Of those 15, not a single one featured a woman as the central… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

@Hollywood, I will even say that there is no reason why Wonder Woman couldn’t have been the film to jump start the universe. No reason why it couldn’t have come out 10 or even 20 years ago. I mentioned in another thread that the reason the movie worked so well is because they made her a genuine Hero above all else, there was no ‘man bashing’ agenda or an idea of putting men in their place. I also push back on that notion. They put her and Steve Trevor on equal footing and made both important parts of the story.… Read more »

Hollywood
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Wonder Woman certainly could’ve been a jumping on point for a shared universe. The problem is that, by the time it was released, there were already two films that established the framework.

Regardless of who’s to blame, they’re in a tough spot.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

I was speaking more to the female-centric aspect of the post, but yes I do believe they’re in a tough spot as well. That being said, I think all it would take to get on the right track, at least in Superman’s case, would be to get the right personnel involved and make a high quality stand alone movie. It can have minor connections sure but it should focus on Superman and his characters. I thought for sure we were going to get an announcement that Chris McQuarrie and Henry Cavill were going to be teaming up for it after… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

I’m sorry Hollywood but I’m 100% correct. There is not one TV show or what’s now gravitated to the big screen, when there’s a confrontation between a man a woman that doesn’t have the end result in which the woman kicks the crap out of the man. I’m not saying it’s the high light of the shows but it’s in every single one of them. With all the garbage that’s centered around the “metoo” movement, they’ve decided to place woman atop the ladder and make them the most competent while they have men acting like total second rate wimpy fools.… Read more »

Hollywood
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redcape
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redcape

Thanks Hollwood. Good chuckle. But I will stand by what I said and can back it up, with or without the hat!

SuperFunTime
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SuperFunTime

Well, I saw the new Power Ranger movie and Rita Repulsa beat up men and women. She also took down the Power Rangers, who are guys and girls.

But, at the end of the movie, the Power Rangers beat her by slapping her to the moon.

So, there’s that.

Also, in Arrow, Arrow fought Cupid. Cupid tried her best, but The Arrow still came out on top, even after falling in her trap.

SuperFunTime
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SuperFunTime

In another episode of Arrow, Green Arrow took on two women, eventually got hit down once, and the only reason he didn’t get to stop them is because that swat team, or whatever team it was, came in to arrest him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64d2VbWZ8iU And, of course, in Justice League, Steppenwolf went through The Amazons. And they really tried to stop him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwLAmlrkWyY And, finally, in Justice League, Superman beat all the men, and Wonder Woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr-TY2y_-pw So, you are correct that many female characters can hold their own against male characters, but those female characters would be useless if the could… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

Understand your points. BUT….Arrow is a slight exception on the CW as it’s more grittier than the others but still for the most part that’s all they do. As for the Justice League are you talking about the movie or the animated series?

But I’m going to stand by what I’ve implied. They’re making a Supergirl movie and blowing off Superman for the sole purpose of “token-izing” the big entertainment industry movement to pacify the abusive behavior of some big wig men that have unraveled Hollywood.

Phresh
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Phresh

Great post redcape! I agree with you on this and am glad to know I was not the only one who saw this. We may be in the “minority” about this but it doesn’t mean we’re wrong. Thank you for voicing it.

supergepetto
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supergepetto

The “geniuses” at WB don’t know what they are doing. Do they really think a Supergirl and Flash film would do better than a new Superman film? Both of those characters are already on TV, and since it is the CW, they could run for years more. Superman is treated awful by this company. Can’t they do a Superman film on a reasonable budget like “Deadpool” films do? Of course, who knows where the money “actually” goes to in the high budget films. Cavill does a great job and there already should be a new film in the works, not… Read more »

moffattbooks
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moffattbooks

let them do the new direction of the DC movies, I’ll go see them. if the Icon and the Detective need some time out on the big screen, I’ll go with it. We still have continuing comics of Superman so this is one set back, but he’s still around!

LarGand
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LarGand

So much wasted potential! I will always love ‘Man of Steel’ as a modern interpretation of the Superman myth, but that movie was begging for a direct sequel that it never got. They barely scraped the surface of what they could have done with Henry’s Superman and Amy Adams’ Lois Lane. Having said that, I am definitely NOT sorry that Henry won’t be appearing in ‘Shazam’, because after seeing the trailer I have no interest whatsoever in that movie. They seem to be going for a younger/family audience now, which leaves me firmly outside the demographic. It just doesn’t remotely… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

They don’t care. It’s all about token-izing women in Hollywood.

LarGand
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LarGand

Not quite sure what you mean by “token-izing” women … I don’t see releasing female-led movies as “tokenization” of any kind, as long as it’s done right, as it was with ‘Wonder Woman’. I’m interested in seeing female-led superhero movies just as I’m interested in any other superhero movies – I’ve been hoping Marvel goes ahead with a ‘Black Widow’ movie ever since she first appeared in the MCU. If its good, I’m all for it. So I have no problem with WB making a new Supergirl movie. My point is simply that Supergirl is largely defined by her relationship… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

And what does Black Widow do? She kicks the crap out of all men.

LarGand
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LarGand

No. She kicks the crap out of any and all threats to global security SHIELD tells her to. Because she’s a highly trained, bad-ass, high-tech superspy who uses her femininity as one of the many weapons in her arsenal. What’s the problem here? If you feel this somehow threatens your masculinity … well, that would suggest a degree of insecurity that you might want to work on.

Hollywood
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For all we know, the army of Chitauri in the Avengers were female. It’s not like we have any sort of data on how gender is determined within that race.

In which case, Black Widow might’ve been exclusively kicking the crap out of women. But I guess we’ll never know for sure…… ;)

redcape
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redcape

LarGand……..Of course she’s a highly trained bad ass. ALL women are on these movies and TV shows. It has nothing to do with masculinity or security. I’m just saying they’ve gone overboard with this angle and have now made it a priority and top feature that’s being used to make a statement, pandering as it may be. And that being said, it makes sense that they would trash a Superman movie and go right for the bad ass female agenda that’s been obviously sweeping across the entertainment industry. If your one that doesn’t mind seeing the endless lines of female… Read more »

Hollywood
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I know I’m just asking to be drawn down the rabbit hole, but can you provide some real evidence of this? Like, how exactly are men — and Superman — being negatively portrayed on the whole while women are favored? On television, Supergirl is surrounded by both men and women, and they’re all portrayed as competent, brave and important parts of her life. Add to that, on his guest appearances, Superman is portrayed as heroic and iconic. I guess you could complain about him losing a fight to Supergirl, but when two full-powered Kryptonians are duking it out, couldn’t it… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

I didn’t mean to have this go off topic. BUT…..rather than taking all the time and writing, I’m going to sum up my opinion on this. I watch a fare amount of TV and to an extent movies. And what I have undeniably seen is when there are shows where there’s a confrontation between a man and a woman the end result is the woman generally kicks the snot out of the man. It is on all the CW shows as well as the majors as well. These 100 lb waifs generally are judo deluxe, boxing experts, crack shots, able… Read more »

Hollywood
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I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this.

Spidey2878
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Spidey2878

What’s the current line up in DC movies? I don’t keep track for DC movies or Marvel movies.

MattComics
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MattComics

Joker, Joker, and Joker?

LarGand
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LarGand

I only just heart about the Joker movie with Joaquin Phoenix yesterday … guess I haven’t been paying attention. Apparently his character’s name will be “Arthur Fleck”. A.Fleck? Affleck? Well, they’re certainly trolling someone, because it’s a stretch to suggest that name – which doesn’t exist in the comics – is pure coincidence.

redcape
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redcape

DC…….We have Shazam, we have Wonder Woman and we have Aqua Man. AND thank god they ok’d a sequel to one of the lamest movies I’ve ever seen, Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them.

car2nst
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car2nst

Fantastic Beasts is not even DC, unless you are referring to WB themselves. But being a Juggernaut like the Harry Potter franchise, FB 2 will do just fine., If I were you (& I know it is not WB) I’d be more confused over the useless Power Rangers 2 movie that is being made. I mean Power Ranger flopped harder than JL & SOLO combined.

redcape
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redcape

Correct. I didn’t mean to imply that DC was responsible for that mess. And I guess if there’s an audience for that, then more power to them. My exact point was a movie that was that nonsensical gets a sequel and MoS doesn’t then all is lost!!

redcape
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redcape

Just to add a little something regarding what I’ve observed pertaining to the new Hollywood agenda of females can’t do no wrong. We have a new movie coming out. It’s titled, Assassination Nation! And it’s stars FOUR females that do what???? You got it…blow away all the men!!! On the CW we have the new Batwoman. Marvel is going out with the new Captain Marvel with a woman as the Capt!! Aren’t these exciting times where Hollywood is barfing up nothing but these animal females that destroy all men!!

Hollywood
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Not that this will help, but… On average, Hollywood releases almost a thousand films a year, which means Assassination Nation represents 0.1 percent of them. In 2018 thus far, all but 2 of the most profitable films were headlined by men who kicked ass … and those 2 were team-up, ensemble casts. Batwoman, meanwhile, is only appearing CW’s annual crossover special. An ongoing tv show (while it is in the works) isn’t confirmed yet … and even if it is, the Arrowverse still has more male heroes than female. Also, for whatever it’s worth, Supergirl tends to fight more female… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

I guess that you can apply a mathematical formula to it. Certain movies do seem to get attention over others. Take a number of months ago we had Atomic Blond. What did she do? Beat and or kill all the men. We have at this time Peppermint. What does she do? Beat and or kill all the men. The other film that I’ve mentioned that’s on the way. What will they do? Beat and or kill all the men. On TV there’s admittingly less hard core killing BUT the female beating of the men has now taken top billing. And… Read more »

SuperFunTime
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SuperFunTime

I’m not sure what you want. I do not agree with your interpretation. I find they show women being able to hold their in situations of combat, regardless of gender, race or lifeform. On Star Trek Discovery, Michael Burnham held her own, twice, in hand-to-hand combat with 2 different Klingon warriors. Supergirl has taken male and female Kryptonians, a female Daxamite Queen, and other male and female characters. I could state many more, but I am sure you know them, otherwise you would not be seeing the issue you are perceiving. Female characters are being shown as being combat competent.… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

Well…..men and women aren’t the same. And the way they’re being presented now a day is that we’re so equal that all the fake sequences that these battle worthy females are in actually represents reality. They’ve gone massively over board with this.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

I don’t agree with what you’re saying, but Like I’ve stated before, I respect your opinion. That being said I find this to be such an odd stance to take. With movies and television, If anything, these decisions are more about making money and what’s marketable at the moment. I don’t believe there is any sort of female overpowering men ‘agenda’, but I believe that execs (at least the dc ones) saw that money was made in a movie featuring a female lead and are now trying to exploit that. The Supergirl script/movie I still believe is being used more… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

P.S. Faora stole MoS for me. Sneaky best character in the movie. I don’t think there was any intention to show her kicking the butts of men for any reason then just to make a cool character and they did. Gender had nothing to do with it. She was genuinely terrifying when she snapped the dudes neck while staring straight at col. Hardy’s face. I don’t know if that’s off or on topic, but I feel like that character never gets the recognition she deserves.

redcape
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redcape

Well yes regarding Faora, par for the course I’d say. But the fact is, it goes back to what I’ve speculated. We have an over whelming theme in the entertainment industry. They’re making major movie decisions over it and it’s gone WAY overboard. Look….I’m not down on strong female roles but for crying out loud, what’s going on in the entertainment industry is out right pandering. BUT…you simply can’t deny that what your seeing right in front of your face isn’t a grand Hollywood illusion of political statement. That is why IMO, that at this time they’re over looking Superman… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Well as I stated before, it has more to do with what’s trending right now and what the execs think will bring in the money. I don’t think you need to look at anything beyond that and I think that’s a more realistic situation then what you’re suggesting. And as I also stated, I believe Supergirl is being used as a bargaining chip in the Henry Cavill negotiations. Did you read my post? I know I put two so you may have overlooked the first one.

redcape
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redcape

I did read your posts! Thanks. Were obviously seeing how things are(have been), playing out in a much different light. I’m going by what I see in front of my eyes. And I’m not making anything up. THERE IS an agenda in the entertainment industry right now and I believe based off of what has transpired through out Hollywood and the entertainment industry being brought to it’s knees by an few dirt bag men, that making sure men at this time, are held back from any kind of positions of authority. And everything that I’m seeing has men being played… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Well that’s cool. we can agree to disagree. To be fair, I’m not exactly disagreeing with you that there is an influx of female driven films. I also don’t exactly disagree with you when you’ve said in the past that films like Wonder Woman have been overly praised. I do think it was a great movie and if I’m ranking it in terms of social importance, it’s probably number 2 behind Black panther, but if I’m ranking it amongst all superhero movies it would be somewhere in the middle. As much as I enjoyed it There are flaws in that… Read more »