Tyler Hoechlin – Not My Superman (The S Files)

Steve Younis gives his opinion on fans saying that Tyler Hoechlin is not their Superman in this new Superman Homepage “The S Files” video.


Tyler Hoechlin - Not My Superman (The S Files)
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svillar13
January 21, 2020 12:13 am

From the beginning I have really liked Hoechin even though I realized in the crossover that the man is short lol. I thought he embodied the Comic Book Superman/Clark Kent pretty good, and he had his Christopher Reeve moments that I really liked. I for one am super excited about the Superman and Lois show. But I wouldn’t mind a Brandon Superman show on the DC Universe App or HBO Max that would be awesome! The more Supermen I see the better and the more exposure he’s going to get. The more exposure means more popularity. I mean let’s face… Read more »

JasEl
January 22, 2020 8:21 pm
Reply to  svillar13

He’s 6′ , not what I’d call short. The other guys are just freakishly tall.

kenkraly2004
January 21, 2020 12:37 am

Great video Steve as always , I’m very excited for this new Superman and Lois TV series. I like Tyler Hoechlin as Superman / Clark Kent I always have since his 1st appearances in Supergirl also in the 2 crossovers Elseworlds and Crisis On Infinite Earths he is great in the role with the limited screen time he has had as Superman so hopefully he can shine as Supes in his own series. I get it fans want a new Superman movie or a HBO Max Superman series I get that but a new Superman TV series coming sign me… Read more »

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 2:12 am

Well said from my fellow members who have posted before me. 🙂 I like Tyler as Superman. He’s a good Superman. He’s not my favorite Superman actor, but he’s done a good job for what he has been given so far for the Superman role. Granted that his version does need some fixing, but I believe that with the right story and script, Tyler’s Superman can be an even better Superman. I’m looking forward to seeing further adventures of his Superman and Lois as well. And one more thing, We need a Brandon Routh Superman series too WB. Please give… Read more »

micah
January 21, 2020 2:06 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

Agreed! They always have multiple superman comic book runs. Why not multiple TV shows? Let’s get Brandons superman on there!!!

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 2:58 pm
Reply to  micah

Absolutely micah! The more Superman Shows the merrier micah. 😀

Hey WB, let’s make this new decade the decade of Superman! 😀

Randall
January 21, 2020 8:27 am

Since Clark’s powers have never been(nor should they be) based on strict earth-defined physicality, I can see just about anyone in the role (with exceptions like Danny Divito. Great guy, but not a Superman contender). I prefer a superman who is not the size of Dwayne Johnson and actually the more “average” the guy is that dons the cape, the more I buy into it.

krispynachos
January 22, 2020 6:38 pm
Reply to  Randall

I really like the muscles. It just looks amazing in the suit. But I do agree with you about how an average guy could just as believably don the cape. I have always thought it was funny that Superman was so buff, considering how little effort/strength he needs to put into just about everything he does. I think it would be fun for writers to spend more time showing all the little things Supes has to consider in his day-to-day life, like how lightly he has to turn a door knob to not break it – that kind of thing.… Read more »

JasEl
January 22, 2020 8:24 pm
Reply to  krispynachos

Yeah, it’s like he says in that S:TAS episode where he’s fighting Darseid. It’s like living in a world made of cardboard, always having to be careful not to break something or hurt someone.

Randall
January 23, 2020 9:15 am
Reply to  krispynachos

I really like the muscles. True, I definitely don’t want someone scrawny in their either. I think a decent “athletic look” is a good happy medium. Like Grant Gustin being Superman? ehhh probably not… But Stephen Amell? Could’ve totally bought that. I think it would be fun for writers to spend more time showing all the little things Supes has to consider in his day-to-day life, like how lightly he has to turn a door knob to not break it – that kind of thing. Me too. They did that a little bit in MOS and Lois & Clark I… Read more »

TheRBBlur
January 21, 2020 9:00 am

I think Tyler has done a good job with his performance, and as an actor, he’s brought the role of Clark/Superman to life in a new and exciting way. Most of the debate, however, is about his “look” and I think when he’s compared to previous actors, he’s not as muscular and far less broad, so ultimately, he just looks leaner on camera. For a lot of people, Superman should have a very built, muscular look. Tyler is on the taller side, but that doesn’t come through as clearly on camera, because most of the cast is on the taller… Read more »

MattComics
January 21, 2020 10:24 am

I’ve liked Tyler’s Superman since he was introduced and the only time I’ve ever had a problem (aside from aspects of his costume design) is basically in the writing when I felt like the shows were trying too hard to prevent him from over-shadowing Kara or other characters. To me the easiest way to ensure that Superman doesn’t overshadow Kara on her own show is to never make a competition out of it in the first place and I think that’s the mistake they’ve been making to greater or lesser degree. Yes if it’s her show she gets priority and… Read more »

SMpurist
January 21, 2020 1:57 pm

Ok, I guess I have to be “that guy”. I grew up with Christopher Reeves being Superman…full stop. Then Dean Cain was my TV Superman. Both of which were supplanted by Smallville which is by FAR the best and most complete depiction of Clark. I say that to say this. I have always 100% rejected Supergirl’s Superman.he is beyond the shadow of a doubt the worst Superman I have ever seen in my lifetime. From the look to the character itself. His very presence in the role is an insult to the role and all the great ways it was… Read more »

krispynachos
January 22, 2020 6:48 pm
Reply to  SMpurist

Do you think, if the suit was more classic-looking (trunks, traditional cape, maybe even a lighter blue), and if he had a stronger presence, that he wouldn’t be your least favorite? I am a die-hard fan of Reeve, and Routh is a close second, but I wonder if you would feel differently if those things were changed? These CW shows are pretty good about giving us new-ish costumes every year. I keep hoping that with the reappearance of his red trunks in the comics, and the fans loving Routh’s Kingdom Come version so much, that maybe the writers will realize… Read more »

SuperFunTime
January 25, 2020 7:52 pm
Reply to  SMpurist

I read what you wrote, but it seems like all you did was attack and complain about Tyler Hoechlin’s Superman but did not provide any examples to support what your are saying. So while I understand what you wrote, I do not fully understand because no concrete examples were written to justify what you are saying. Can you be more specific or cite examples to help me understand why you feel the way you feel? Because I do not understand why. For example, you said: His very presence in the role is an insult to the role and all the… Read more »

Man-O-Steal
January 21, 2020 2:16 pm

Great video!!! And I wholeheartedly agree. I want a Man Of Steel 2, but this will be great in the meantime. – And it is a shame that the writers think they have to keep putting Superman down to prop up Supergirl. I hope they put a stop to that once Superman gets his own CW series. I think it’s just bad writing.

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 4:27 pm
Reply to  Man-O-Steal

I’m looking forward to seeing this upcoming series as well Man-O-Steel. 🙂 As for Superman being put down, I do agree that it’s bad that they have done that when he had appeared on Supergirl’s show and that they shouldn’t have done that, however I don’t believe that they would do that to him on his own show. Supergirl won’t be the star of Superman’s series. So she won’t overshadow his importantance as a Superhero on a weekly basis. Tyler could build up his status as Superman while fighting supervillians that we haven’t been seen before. Villains like Mongul, Eradicator,… Read more »

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 4:31 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

Tyler’s Superman does need a new suit though.

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 4:35 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

Just throwing this idea out there, but if they make a Brandon Routh Superman series on HBO Max, what if Bitsie Tulloch plays Lois? They had good chemistry in the crossover.
It could work. 🙂

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 4:50 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

I really like the S-files videos that you make Steve. Excellent topics for the Superman community to think and talk about. 🙂

NeoRanger
January 21, 2020 5:13 pm

I don’t mind Hoechlin and never have. My problem is with the writing in many ways, not the least of which is this basic, “oh I’ve seen Superman The Movie once” understanding of the character. Superman is a lot more than the occasionally clumsy, too polite cardboard cutout. And of course the whole “Superman is a jobber” attitude bothers me as well. They could’ve prevented him upstaging Kara in many ways, but they actively chose to tear into Superman’s very character. This goes beyond propping up Kara in her own show, it shows disrespect for the material, especially because they… Read more »

Superman2878
January 21, 2020 6:44 pm
Reply to  NeoRanger

You do bring up a lot of good points NeoRanger. And like you I believe that the writing is the problem. I like Tyler. I think that he’s a good Superman. Not my favorite or who I consider to be the best, but I do like his take on big blue. It’s the writing that has been giving grief for Superman on the CW. But I believe that will change when he finally gets his own series and stops playing second fiddle as a superhero and is instead promoted to primary superhero for his own show. I’m not speaking for… Read more »

krispynachos
January 22, 2020 6:53 pm
Reply to  NeoRanger

What’s a jobber?

I agree about the writing being from people who only understand the character on the surface. I wish only fans could write for the shows/movies!

Superman2878
January 22, 2020 7:15 pm
Reply to  krispynachos

I think a jobber is a wrestling term. I’m not sure though. I don’t watch wrestling so I could be wrong. I think it refers to a character promoting another’s greatness at the expense of their own greatest. So basically making Supergirl look better than Superman.

January 21, 2020 11:10 pm

Tyler Hoechlin is by far my least favorite of every actor who has ever portrayed Superman in live-action films and tv series. I have equal amount of respect and admiration for every and I mean every Superman actor but when I see Tyler Heochlin it’s just not there. I mean in my opinion he’s ok in the part and I’m willing to watch him as the character but that’s it. Nothing extraordinary or memorable about him but I wish him well. He is at the very bottom of list though. This upcoming “Superman and Lois Lane” series has me excited… Read more »

Superman2878
January 22, 2020 12:01 am
Reply to  Da-Om-Alor

I do understand where you’re coming from. Everyone has a preference when it comes to a Superman actor. Tyler isn’t my favorite actor or my first choice for an actor to play Superman, but I think he’s done in all right job so far. I like him but he’s not my favorite. My favorite Superman actor will always be Christopher Reeve followed by Brandon Routh. I can relate to your point of view to a degree but with Henry Cavill’s version. I know that Henry Cavill may have the appearance of Superman, but I’ve never been a Henry Cavill Superman… Read more »

January 23, 2020 1:07 am
Reply to  Superman2878

Oh yeah I will definitely be watching the new “Superman and Lois” series and I will of course like it simply because it’s Superman. While he definitely isn’t my favorite as you can from my list I typed out I did not mean to give the impression that I didn’t like him. I like him just fine. I’m just saying if I was casting director at the time of his casting he would have not been chosen. What he’s done so far is decent I’ll a admit to that. I remember that scene you described about him assisting Supergirl with… Read more »

Superman2878
January 23, 2020 10:25 am
Reply to  Da-Om-Alor

I can see where you’re coming from. And I admit that when it was first announced way back before season two of Supergirl started that Tyler had been casted as Superman, I was disappointed.I had hoped that maybe Routh would’ve been casted as Superman. I was thinking that Brandon could be Superman for a few episodes and also play Ray for the Legends of tomorrow. I thought that it could be possible to play two separate characters at the same time. So I was disappointed when Tyler was casted and Brandon was not. But then I figured “ hey, I’ll… Read more »

redcape
January 25, 2020 12:09 pm
Reply to  Da-Om-Alor

100% totally disagree with you on Henry’s Superman. The character was put into a much more updated, realistic, action packed no nonsense story that (aside from couple of scenes) accomplished what was set in play that I’m sorry won’t be continued with.

Superman2878
January 27, 2020 1:12 am
Reply to  redcape

Are you talking to me redcape, or another member? If it’s me then could you please specify the topic? Because I’m not sure if it’s me you’re talking to and what the topic is about.

krispynachos
January 22, 2020 6:25 pm

Well said! You make great points, and I agree with you. I am guilty of favoring Brandon over Tyler, and Brandon does feel more like Superman to me (perhaps as you said, because he had a movie and is already established), but I think it goes beyond the actors and is more about the suit, for me personally. I feel the same way about Henry’s Superman. They are all great actors doing a great job – I’m just very partial to the classic look of red trunks and no “buckle” connection for the cape on the suit, and that visual… Read more »

redcape
January 22, 2020 8:35 pm

A great deal of my opinion(s) on this has been stated. In particular the, “she’s more powerful” line.(big time thumbs down as they didn’t need to go there) The first time they had Tyler on SG I though he did a great job. Even his costume never bothered me as much as some. After that…it was bombs away, right over a cliff. Where I’m very leery on this is the CW in general.(look what they’ve just done with Arrow) This child nonsense along with Lois(again), based off what I’ve seen on the other CW shows, is a total set up… Read more »

Superman2878
January 22, 2020 9:51 pm

I’m looking forward to seeing the new Superman series WB/CW, but before I forget, how about we get a Brandon Routh Superman series on HBO max WB?

😀

You know I’ll keep asking till I get it WB. 😉

krispynachos
January 23, 2020 3:08 am
Reply to  Superman2878

I hope for this!!! I read so many news articles about people saying Brandon’s Superman should have his own show. I really hope it happens. Hard to imagine two Superman shows on at the same time, but streaming networks like HBO really have a way of separating themselves from the main networks, and if Game of Thrones was any indication, the budget could be huge! I’d even take a (probably low budget) version on DC Universe TV. Plus it would help me heal from losing Krypton, for sure! lol I read an article that said the Kingdom Come Superman was… Read more »

Superman2878
January 23, 2020 9:48 am
Reply to  krispynachos

I’m not sure whether or not if all of Routh’s Superman’s loved ones returned to him after the crisis. I guess that’s up to interpretation depending on the viewer. I do believe though that the added yellow instead of the black for his symbol indicates that he is no longer living in dark times. And that he’s hopeful again.

SuperFunTime
January 25, 2020 7:44 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

Personally, I am not interested a Brandon Routh Superman series, nor am I against it. I would be interested if he could show up in future crossovers though. 🙂

Superman2878
January 25, 2020 8:32 pm
Reply to  SuperFunTime

Even if it turns out that he will only come back to the Superman role in crossovers, I would even be happy with that. 🙂
That way I know that even though we don’t see his Superman, he’s still around. I’m still going to advocate for him to have a series though. Hopefully someone at WB will listen. 🙂

Superman2878
January 25, 2020 8:52 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

I’m not down putting on anything on what you said SuperFunTime. I hope that it didn’t come out that way.

SuperFunTime
January 26, 2020 6:11 pm
Reply to  SuperFunTime

I never got the impression you were putting me down. You go advocate for the series you want. 🙂 For me, it’s just that there are many tv shows I enjoy and only so many I can watch. If they make a Brandon Routh Superman show, I think it would be awesome! However, I would be interested in it and would want to watch it, but I barely have the time to watch most shows now. For example, I was only able to really watch Crisis on Infinite Earths in early January. The weeks in between allowed me to catch… Read more »

Superman2878
January 26, 2020 9:35 pm
Reply to  SuperFunTime

I’m glad that there wasn’t a misunderstanding SuperFunTime. 🙂 I sometimes look back at what I say and wonder if people might misunderstand what I say or mean. Thanks for letting me know that you understood what I meant. 🙂

MattComics
January 22, 2020 11:12 pm

We got to see a little more of what Routh could actually do as Superman when he’s out from under Singers vision. Just the change in costume design did wonders. I feel it would be the same for Henry free from Snyder.

Tyler I think will get a real chance to shine if he’s in his own show because there won’t be this concern of him over-shadowing anyone. Also in the next crossover they won’t have the excuse of him not being a hero with a series.

Superman2878
January 22, 2020 11:25 pm
Reply to  MattComics

Excellent points MattComics. 🙂
And while I really really really liked Brandon’s black Kingdom Come Superman symbol, the one he he had with the yellow at the end of crisis I liked even more. I hope that they give him a series with that version of the Kingdom Come Superman symbol. 😀

krispynachos
January 23, 2020 3:12 am
Reply to  MattComics

Agreed. He looked so much bigger, too. I know they did a little bit of a muscle suit in Returns, and I know they did a little bit more of a muscle suit this time too, but it didn’t look like it was all the suit, he looked bigger all in all. I wonder how much of this has to do with people favoring the Kingdom Come suit over Returns, because a lot of people said he looked too small in Returns.

Superman2878
January 23, 2020 9:52 am
Reply to  krispynachos

I liked the Kingdom Come suit way more than the Returns one. 🙂
Like Superman just stepped right out of a comic and was on tv. 🙂

redcape
January 23, 2020 11:38 am
Reply to  krispynachos

Well,…..SR was 14 years ago! BR was at that age where he worked his butt off to get into the super shape he needed to be in. There was no muscle stuff added to his suit that I could see.

Superman2878
January 23, 2020 11:53 am
Reply to  redcape

I remember seeing the work out videos of him training to be Superman. He was huge. I’m pretty sure that the videos can be seen on YouTube. There’s also footage of Brandon training for Superman for his second go around. He looked like he was in good shape for the Superman role there as well.

krispynachos
January 23, 2020 12:33 pm
Reply to  redcape

I could have sworn in the behind the scenes footage that Singer was talking at one point about how he didn’t want Brandon to get any bigger or he wouldn’t fit into the muscle suit. But now that I’m saying that, I’d have to go back and watch it to be certain. I’d like to think he didn’t need one!

Randall
January 23, 2020 12:51 pm
Reply to  redcape

Yes there was muscle suit in Brandon’s SR suit. They showed it in a BTS documentary. I think the “size” of the actor is somewhat proportional to the size of the \S/. Like everyone else, I definitely noticed he seemed “larger” in the crossover compared to his SR time. But Brandon is certainly not flabby now and he definitely wasn’t tiny back then. I remember seeing him on magazine covers without the suit and he looked huge (I think it was a TV Guide, he had Kate sitting on his bicep or something?). I wonder if the tiny SR \S/… Read more »

Superman2878
January 23, 2020 3:40 pm
Reply to  Randall

He definitely still fits the part for Superman.
😀
Let’s give him a Superman series WB! 😀

redcape
January 25, 2020 12:15 pm
Reply to  Randall

I don’t remember seeing any built in muscle to his suit. I remember it being shown on a muscled up headless manikin of sorts. I have that movie theater double sided poster in a lit movie box of him floating over Earth and there’s NO muscle added. All Brandon !!!!!

Superman2878
January 25, 2020 4:15 pm
Reply to  redcape

I remember that image of him floating over the earth. A very iconic image.

JasEl
January 25, 2020 10:28 pm
Reply to  redcape

He absolutely wore a muscle suit in Returns, they even show it in the special features.

Superman2878
January 26, 2020 8:20 am
Reply to  JasEl

Muscle suit or not, he still looks like Superman. 🙂
Hey WB, so when are you going to decide on giving us a Routh Superman HBO max series? I’m telling you that the fans really really want one.
🙂

redcape
January 26, 2020 1:51 pm
Reply to  JasEl

Well I’m looking at that poster right now and there’s NO added anything. His suit is pretty much skin tight and no where’s near the same or even along the lines of Henry’s suit. In fact in SR the suit is much more closer to CR’s, material wise. If there’s any time in SR they needed him to look a certain way it must be in isolated scenes.

Superman2878
January 26, 2020 2:07 pm
Reply to  redcape

The suit he wore in the crossover I like way more than the one that he wore in Returns. 🙂

SuperFunTime
January 26, 2020 6:19 pm
Reply to  Superman2878

I really liked his suit in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Superman2878
January 26, 2020 9:36 pm
Reply to  SuperFunTime

I know right? It’s one of my favorite versions of Superman’s suit. My Favorite being Reeve’s. 😀

SuperFunTime
January 25, 2020 7:41 pm

I like this video a lot. All the points given were done so in a calm and rational manner. It took other people’s perspectives into account and remained fair about them.

I love Tyler Hoechlin as Superman. I’ve gotten so used to him and Lois. I understand not everybody loves him, but I think he’s great and I am looking forward to the new series.

Superman2878
January 25, 2020 8:35 pm
Reply to  SuperFunTime

I agree SuperFunTime. Well said.
🙂