Test Footage Emerges from “Superman Lives”

What is claimed to be test footage of Nicolas Cage as Superman flying and landing has been posted online.

Cage was cast as Superman for the never-made 1998 film “Superman Lives”.

Cage Flying
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Super Kal
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Super Kal

this footage was in the documentary The Death of Superman Lives

Nate1986
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Nate1986

Correct!

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Man I miss Jon Schnepp

Johnjones
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Johnjones

Not bad for 1998.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

It kinda reminds me of the Lois and Clark the new adventures of Superman show.

MattComics
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MattComics

This thing would have been awful and I don’t understand why it’s managed to garner this cult-classic like appeal for some. Glad this bullet was dodged but I’ll give em points for trying to do something with Brainiac instead of going to Luthor and Zod again.

As for the flying clip, I thought Jon Peters hated the idea of him flying…or doing anything else Superman-like.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Were they trying to do something back in the 1990’s-early 2000’s where a potential Superman movie’s story had Superman not even wearing anything close to a Superman outfit and didn’t fly? I think that it might have been pre Smallville era, but I do remember hearing some kind of rumor back then. I don’t remember much about the rumor though.

MattComics
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MattComics

Kevin Smith has talked about his conversations with Jon Peters in developing the script where Jon said he didn’t like that he flew, didn’t like the costume etc. I think there’s also concept art that features Superman in black armor with an S made of throwing knives or something and one where he has some kind of exo-skeletal thing going on.

Nate1986
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Nate1986

If you watch the documentary, Jon Peters denies it (I don’t agree with him), but ultimately Superman was gonna fly and wear his classic suit before both the black suit and later a trunk less modern one. It went back and forth between 2-3 suits for the movie. There is alot of misconceptions on Superman Lives, same with Superman Flyby; and the documentary clears all that up, yet I still see people believing the incorrect details. Like the light up suit that wasn’t an actual suit, or your “knife” comment you made; reading the script, and touched upon in the… Read more »

lcmcbain
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lcmcbain

He’s already relatable as is. He doesn’t need to conform to the whims of people who don’t already get that.

Nate1986
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Nate1986

Thats not what I meant. I had a question on reddit about which version of Superman was relatable to them, aka the user, and I also used that to explore which one fits me too. I defend MOS but I felt he could be #3 or 4 on a list, Smallville varies but not in high regard in regards to that question. For me, the one that takes the cake is ultimately IT’S SUPERMAN! A Novel by Tom DeHaven. That version is whom I relate towards. But man, SL would’ve taken the cake if it existed.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I don’t understand what they mean when they say that Superman isn’t relatable. Could someone please explain it to me? What do they mean by relatable?
I want to have a Superman movie that’s inspiring, so I’m not sure if relatable is the right way to go.

Nate1986
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Nate1986

???
Relatable means the character is you, or you know exactly what this person is going through because you’ve been through something in the exact same or similar vein. Hence why Batman, Spidey, even Wolverine fit that bill.
In other words “I can be this person”
There’s nothing wrong with Superman fitting that bill, in fact he has since 1938.

MattComics
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MattComics

Mark Waid once said that it’s not Superman you relate to it’s Clark Kent. I think whether you come from the “Clark is the disguise” school of thought or the “Clark is who I am, Superman is what I do” view what Waid said is basically true. People who say he’s not relatable are either people who can’t see the character for his powers, people who think the fact he’s a good person is the bridge too far because that somehow makes him “too perfect”, or people who have never truly tried to engage with the character and are just… Read more »

Nate1986
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Nate1986

I’ve heard “he’s too good and too powerful”. Basically they want gray aspects (Smallville, MOS), which I can agree with too. Even offer a change in making him only bulletproof with super healing to raise the stakes. But those people are always conflicted with anyone else who have conceptions (right or wrong) over the character. And they can be fans, general people, or other critics. Its a mess and a headache. BTW, I really wish they would go back to the Golden Age Superman, especially with the world now. Or anytime tbh. And not in terms of powers, because that’s… Read more »

lcmcbain
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lcmcbain

He is relatable as is. Even at his most powerful. He is simply a being that wants to do what is right and help those in need; for no other reason than it is the right thing to do. Full Stop. He doesn’t need to be some tragic figure or have some tragic background. He doesn’t need to be like you or I. And while there are sadly a lot of people with difficult backgrounds, there are also a lot without. (relatively) That doesn’t make him boring and anyone who is saying that he is “too good” or “too perfect”… Read more »

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I could see the Clark Kent part of his life being relatable, but the Superman part of it in my opinion shouldn’t be. Superman can bend steel in his bare hands, change the course of mighty rivers, and can fly. That’s kind of hard to relate to. But it is a wondrous thing to see when he does those amazing things. And his strong sense of righteousness is just awe inspiring. Superman should be inspiring. That’s what I believe should be the focus on any of his films. Personally I’m not looking for a Superman that I can relate to,… Read more »

Nate1986
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Nate1986

That’s basically the problem. Its the same guy. He’s both relatable and inspiring, because this one man is both Superman AND Clark Kent. Like I said, not one or the other, BOTH!

Superman2878
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Superman2878

This discussion does make me wonder more if Superman considers Clark a separate person. Like in Superman two he said to Lois that if it weren’t for Clark, he would have never had met Lois. Maybe they should make a book on Superman’s psyche. What goes on in his head. How does he see the world? Does he view the world differently as Clark than he does as Superman? Or is it the same as both personas? How would he view his relationships with people? Family, riends, Lois, enemies? Could be an interesting read if it does get made into… Read more »

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Please excuse my constant editing of my paragraphs. I tend to look back at what I say and edit what I say so that I make sense of what I’m saying. I think that sounds right. Ha ha.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Oops I meant friends not riends.
Typo, ha ha ha 😀

micah
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It means WB is too stupid to figure out that the superhero most known around the world and started it all is already relatable. Don’t shock people with changes….just write a good story and put superman at the peak of it.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I agree. He does need a good story for a movie.

Clark_Jo
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Clark_Jo

All True Statements.

sman1938
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sman1938

The last issue of Doomsday Clock confirms everything Superman2878 is saying. He is the first, and every reboot and every change in the DC Universe revolves around him. He does not beat Dr. Manhattan with fists, but hope. If hope is not relatable that is not a knock against the Superman character, but against the writers who think hope is not relatable anymore.