With Zack Snyder stepping aside from finishing off the “Justice League” movie due to a family tragedy, many have speculated on how Joss Wehdon’s involvement would affect the tone of the film. Joe Morton, who plays Cyborg’s dad/”inventor” Dr. Silas Stone, confirms to IGN.com that some of the recent reshoots have definitely involved tonal adjustments.
“Well, the stuff that I had to do were just really small little bits and pieces, nothing necessarily having to do with tone. I know that with Ray [Fisher], the young man who plays Victor, there were some adjustments that they made in terms of the tone of that character. I think what I heard was that there was a need from the studio to lighten up the film in a way, that the film felt too dark. I don’t know what that meant in terms of how it actually got translated in terms of the reshoots but that’s what I heard. That’s what I thought some of the reshoots were about.”
“Justice League” will be released to theatres on November 17, 2017.
thank god
He is just ruining the film … f***ing Whedon. Just reshoot the whole movie and give us full blown pile of crap already.
Joss Whedon is garbage
I’ve never been a huge fan of Whedon, but the first Avengers movie was very good. Part of Marvel’s success is the lighter, more ‘fun’ tone of their movies. And tone, while by no means DC’s biggest problem, is a problem.
If I’m going to watch a mediocre-to-poor movie, I’d rather smile, laugh, and enjoy some cool moments, than drudge through a handful of brooding ‘heroes’ question whether they even want to save people or not.
Of course, they could just make good movies, but with DC, that seems to be asking a lot.
The lack of faith in Whedon’s work and Snyder leadership throughout the whole DCEU to this date was a formula destined to fail. For those fans that who still thinks Snyder have done a good job are totally wrong and don’t understand how the world works. Before trashing Whedon’s modified JL movie go and see it and judge it after that. For me I have faith in the re-shots and think Snyder lack of involvement in future projects at least will guarantee WB to continue making more DCEU movies in the future. I enjoyed MOS but if we’re called hard… Read more »
That was a great “two cents”, Kalibak. I mean, what is today’s date? August 12th, if I am reading my calendar correctly, and we are panning (or perhaps outright trashing) this movie without seeing anything but a couple of trailers. Since these have been released (exception: the one that, by the way, you all seemed to love according to the poll taken right here at the Superman Homepage), a tragedy has taken place that necessitated a change in the director’s chair. I would think that changes were inevitable. As far as lightening up the tone a bit, I’m all for… Read more »
Really, how the world works??? Let me inform you of how people that grew up on comic books… Don’t screw with the characters. Avengers didn’t have to be pastel and cute. Snyders take on Superman is spot on. More serious and fought provoking. I look at the Avnegers and actually laugh at Evans and Hemsworth – two absurd actors. Seriously you really think the Avengers was good. Pass the biscuits
This is nothing but internet garbage. Why would people sell the movie as lousy when the trailers we’ve seen have been great! Talk about negativity. I for one don’t want to see JL watered down to Marvel’s present level of camp. For Marvel I guess it’s great that they’ve found a formula to attract 14 year old’s. I don’t want to see DC characters dumb down to that. WB has crap-o-la like Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them for that audience. And that movie is getting a sequel!! Seems like every time some internet article comes out that throws… Read more »
If Wonder Woman was really considered a mess, then, I guess, since I loved Wonder Woman, I hope this movie is a mess also? 🙂
I guess ‘mess’ constitutes nowadays as ‘Awesome’
I wasn’t saying it was going to be a mess. Some internet articles were.
I figured you misspoke and I get what you are saying. The problem for me is yes, the trailer was awesome, but that was pretty much all Zack. And we knew before the trailer came out it had more humor and a lighter tone from the invites that WB did for the media on set – but Whedon is garbage – the first Avengers movie was garbage – it simply a high budget tv movie. The way I see it, DC movies are like reading a graphic novel and Marvel is a child’s coloring book. I don’t want to see… Read more »
I’m not really a fan of Whedon, and I’m sure not a fan of Snyder, either. The problem is I think both are too extreme with their styles. With Snyder I think he’s gone way too dark, and serious with his two films MOS, and BvS. Whedon, on the other hand, I don’t think took things seriously enough, and his two Avenger movies are way too jokey with everyone having little comical quips. There are no stakes. Now, hopefully with this movie since it’s both Snyder, and Whedon they’ll be able to find some happy medium, but I’m not holding… Read more »
See….that’s the problem, They just can’t win. Too dark, too light. As for your example of the Dark Night trilogy. MoS and BvS were both in that category. For sure there were different opinions but the fact is is that the third in that series was by far full of nonsense that kind of erased the first two. It seems it’s way easier to get any of these wrong more than it is to get right and please everyone. I will go out n the limb and say that’s why Wonderwomen did so well. It had NO controversy to it.
You hit the nail on the head redcape … but judging by all the thumbs down our comments have gotten, all people want are camp and jokes … in short, they want a child’s movie.
I think Snyder is a awesome director. I also think Whedon is very good at what he does. I can’t imagine adding Whedon to put the final polish on Snyder’s work could do nothing but help the film. This isn’t like Snyder was let go….he stepped down. If someone had to come in to finish the film…Whedon was the way to go.
Honestly, I’d rather have the Russo Brothers come in instead. I have the nagging suspicion that the next Avengers will be superior than any other team-up movie we’ve had so far.
Snyder is awesome, definitely – Whedon IMO, not so much. My issue is when Zack left he said the movie was about 90% done. Now Whedon comes in and is blowing 25 mill in reshoots?? I fear the final product will now be Snyder’s vision and we will get a child’s movie.
I liked The Avengers. I liked Avengers: Age of Ultron. I loved Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I loved Captain America: Civil War. I liked Suicide Squad. I loved Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman and Wonder Woman. I assume that I will, at least like, most probably, love Justice League. I’m fine with both dark and light tones. I’m fine with it being very serious and having some levity, or very little. I don’t need it to be one or the other, but I do have my preferences. Anyway, I hope, in the end, both directors are able to… Read more »
I feel exactly the way you feel about these movies. I completely 100% agree with your heartfelt sentiment. I hope the combination of Zack Snyder’s work and Joss Whedon’s reshoots will be enough to make it an fantastic and enjoyable film for everyone.
Well, I guess I’ll reserve judgment when I see it:)
Just allow the film to breathe and don’t make a MTV chop shop “Avid” edit feature, for pacing purposes, to satisfy people who grew up in the “jump cut” era.
If you have quality (interesting) product, then the pace will take care of itself and hopefully, this will be a quality product with good editing being at the core at how the story is told (unfolds).
I didn’t mind the direction that they were going with. Visually, tonally and aesthetically speaking, they should go their own separate ways without copying so much from Marvel films. It’s like comparing the Chicago Bulls against the Harlem Globetrotters.
We’ll just hope for a fun and kickass film come November. If we’re lucky…maybe we’ll get the Snyder / Wheddon versions of the film on Blueray and decide for ourselves.
In the meantime…Let’s be optimistic. Have a nice weekend y’all.
That was a given. We know the fit WB throws every time they feel threatened.
I don’t like Whedon, but this is immaterial in this conversation. What I’m more concerned with is that the last time Warner insinuated themselves in regards to “tone” and reshoots, we ended up with Suicide Squad, for better or worse.
I wonder if the ” how it should have ended” show on YouTube will make a parody after this movie is released? It would be interesting to see if any of the avengers show up and comment on Josh Whedon’s part of the film. They always make funny cartoons.
Here’s the latest I read. The re-shoots are being done to change the end of the movie so it’s NOT a cliff hanger that would lead to JL2 but being changed to give the movie a normal finished ending. I think they’re going to shelve all this and aside from WW2 make all separate character movies. Unless they’ve(WB), have got some BIG trick up their sleeve this could be the last that we see of these combo adventures. We’ve heard nothing regarding JL2 and Superman for that matter so it looks like the WB is going in the opposite direction.… Read more »
I think they’re being overly cautious and waiting to see how Justice League will work out, if at all. That aside, we’ve known for a while that Snyder would depart after JL from any significant creative role in the DCEU. If JL is changing the ending, it’s most likely because Whedon will be the de facto Justice League director from here on out and they want to let him approach the series as he sees fit. Whedon probably doesn’t want Darkseid out there yet, he probably wants to follow the same blueprint he had for the Avengers when he was… Read more »
That might be a good thing as having to fight Darkseid after having fought Steppenwolf is redundant. It’s basically the same movie.
Maybe..who knows. The rumor mill is in full force. And it certainly seems like it’s been elevated particularly against WB/DC. I don’t think I’ve read more garbage directed towards any other movie franchise than I have against our characters within the DC world. I’m sure a lot of us have read the recent review that an early showing of the JL was deemed “unwatchable”. Well yea…….the movie apparently wasn’t finished and had a final theater print. So who ever drummed this nonsense didn’t or forgot(yea,right), to include that fact that it wasn’t a finished film. And for the most part… Read more »
Don’t pay attention to the rumors and the buzz in the Internet. It’s cool to hate DC now and everybody jumps aboard the participation trophy choo-choo. I typically try to avoid the idea that people hate on something just because it’s popular to do so, but considering every single DCEU movie has been rumored to be “a mess”, including Wonder Woman, I’m starting to doubt the veracity of a lot of rumors and the popular sentiment.
Obviously it’s Disney/Marvel, Disney has their hand in EVERYTHING, including porn – don’t believe me, look it up! Redcape is right, ever DC film is a mess or has trouble but yet they turn out good – go figure. And yes, they ALWAYS say “sources say” to give credibility to their bashing. People can say it is a conspiracy theory and blah blah but these movie studios are at war and Disney pulls out every dirty trick they can or did we all forget that Disney tried to sabotage Pixar (their OWN studio) so they could have creative oversight over… Read more »
The “mess” designation is well earned. MOS – Divisive and under performed box office wise. BvS – Divisive and under performed Box office wise. SS – Divisive but over performed considering. WW – Critical and Box office hit. That’s 1 clear winner all around and 3 relatively subpar divisive showings. Again the criticisms are well earned.
Well if you don’t like something then you automatically attach “mess” to it. While all movie studios want as much money as a movie can generate, the description, “under performed”, is used by some to mean failure or just not good. Again, WW was a hit because aside from it making X amount of money that was the first to be directed by a women, it had NO controversy any where’s in the story. Unlike MoS and BvS which did. Certain points were attached to those two films because certain characters did things that some considered questionable, made the most… Read more »
I don’t see how it’s well earned. The word makes no sense in this context (mess in production has nothing to do with performance or reception of the final product) and the point remains that they always say the same thing about every single one of these movies. Oh. Except Man of Steel. They didn’t say anything about Man of Steel. They did say it about Wonder Woman, though. Odd how that is, innit? And it’s obviously not some grand conspiracy by Marvel, but it absolutely is click-bait. People are interested in DC movies; yes, including those that stomp their… Read more »
I agree with you that in this context, it may not be earned. But that’s when it’s looked at through a narrower lense. I think everything going on at WB can be looked at as somewhat of a “mess” though considering everything that has and is transpiring. There have been plenty of valid reasons for the criticisms leveled at WB since MOS was released. They are constantly chasing their tail and it shows quite clearly. Doesn’t mean everything is a failure, which it isn’t, but it’s far from their (and many’s) ideal. Yes, I agree, I think some of the… Read more »
Through a narrower lens,yes maybe. But still the definition of mess or any other descriptions are all based off of certain criteria in the movie itself that have caused people to gravitate towards that description just because they didn’t like certain scenes or events in the movie. I’m sure we would just about all agree that a scene like Clark standing by while his father was killed by that storm was not a favorable scene. And you can certainly pick out a couple of other similar events. Whether or not “valid” reasons are accurate seems to only be based off… Read more »
I believe it’s more than just certain scenes. I believe for many it’s the basic characterizations of multiple characters. For others, it’s the technical aspects of movie making; plot, editing, pacing, story etc. For others it’s both or a combo thereof. Those are valid criticisms. (some more than others) One can still like a movie that has done all of those things poorly (I know I do) but one should not live in denial of those issues.
Critics and “fans” attacked MOS after it was released for the silliest of reasons, most commonly was Superman killing Zod. “Superman doesn’t kill!” was the main cry – they were imbeciles who have no idea what they are talking about, Superman kills Zod in the comics and he killed Doomsday. Another was Pa Kent telling Superman he should have let the kids die … once again, imbeciles. Johnathan didn’t have all the answers, his body language said so as he put his head down as he gave the answer to Clark. There was nothing divisive about MOS, just people need… Read more »
For the most part correct. But I would like to point out something that constantly gets over looked regarding young Clark’s conversation with his father. Clark said,”what am I supposed to do, let them die”?. Johnathon replied, “MAYBE”. Not yes!
Exactly, but haters hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. For me, Man of Steel was a master piece, very very well done, for all intents and purposes it was the BEST Superman movie ever and the best true comic book movie, we saw on screen what we have only seen on pages.
Whedon ruined Avengers. Chris Evans is horrible as Cap and made even more so under Whedon. Superman is my favorite Character and to put him in hands of a jerk like Whedon is a huge let down. Once again Hollywood ruins a Comic Book hero
Thank you
I don’t no whether or not he ruined Avengers. More than likely he did what Marvel wanted. Let us not be so negative. We’ve all seen the JL trailers and they for the most part, look great. I have far more concern that this will be the last time we see Superman for who knows how long.
Supposedly Superman 2 is already in development. As far as the trailers for JL, keep in mind, all of, if not 98% of that is Snyder’s stuff. He stated that he was I think 90% done with filming, and that was before he walked away to tend to his family. Maybe one shot from Whedon is in the latest JL trailer and that’s when we have a shot looking down at Cyborg, WW, Flash and BM with grass behind them. So while the trailer does look good, all these reshoots have me extremely concerned.
The definition of “in development” could at this point carry the weight of toilet paper. As for the re-shoots, we really don’t know anything as the information we get comes from daily click bait crap-o-la on the internet. Just like the never ending amount of articles regarding WB/DC upcoming movies in general. I would be willing to bet that if there was anything valid at all regarding at least Superman, Steve would be one of the first to know and we would be reading about it right here.
Please Joss, I want to hear the BOOYAH!!!