Henry Cavill Talks About Returning as Superman

Henry Cavill and fellow cast mates of the upcoming “Mission: Impossible – Fallout” movie were in Las Vegas yesterday at CinemaCon, where Henry answered a lot of questions about whether he’ll be back playing Superman any time soon…

“I can’t answer that definitely right now,” the actor smiled, “but I’m hoping sooner rather than later. I’ve been talking to certain people, and hopefully we’re gonna start talking to other people who are responsible for making those calls, and we shall see.”

And will Henry’s Superman make an appearance in next year’s “Shazam!” movie?

“I obviously can’t talk about that,” he told ComicBook.com

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sundevil82
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sundevil82

Can we Give the guy a sequel please? I’m officially on board for Christopher Macquarie directing him in one. If they’re not going to pursue Matthew Vaughn then that’s my other choice.

Clark_Jo
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Clark_Jo

I’m not as sold on Vaughn as everyone else is. The Kingsman movies were not that great or memorable (especially the 2nd one) IMO.
J.A. Bayona is a more solid choice to me.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Bayona is a solid choice as well. My only issue with him or Vaughn are that they’re fans of the Donner version of Superman. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Donner version as well, but I want someone who is going to do more research into the character otherwise we’ll end up with another Superman Returns. Supposedly Cavill and McQuarrie have been discussing the character while on set during Mission Impossible. I really enjoyed rogue nation and Fallout looks great as well. That’s the kind of vibe I would like to see from a Superman film. Dude is a… Read more »

Super El
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Super El

Being a fan of the Donner version doesn’t mean they aren’t going to research the character. Superman Returns wasn’t simply bad because the director was a fan of the Donner movies. It was bad because of the direction it decided to take (Making Superman a deadbeat dad, casting choices, literally following up the Donner movies, etc)

I rather they stop doing these movies and start from square one again, but they’re far too deep into this and far too prideful to admit that they made a mess.

cpm72586
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cpm72586

My hope is with Affleck quite likely done with Batman, and Matt Reeves doing his own thing with his movie, that it will give WB the confidence they can do the same with Superman, and just start fresh there as well. He desperately needs it. There’s no where to go with Cavill’s Superman. All three of his films are basically moot at this point as WB no doubt wants to distance themselves from them. If they do move forward with Cavill there’d likely be some retconning, and very little mention of any of the events that came before. We saw… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Too many people want to “start over” when something in life goes wrong…there is no reset button in life. Stop dwelling on the past mistakes. Pick up the pieces, learn from your mistakes & carry on. Rebooting would be pointless, not to mention a financial disaster, all while pissing off the actual fans & confusing the common movie viewer (which would make for less ticket sales…and thus even less money after spending all that money rebooting)

afriend
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afriend

You know we’re talking about a fictional character, with (depending on how you count Superman Returns) seven or eight independent live-action takes to date, right? It’s not a marriage that we need to give a chance to work or a job that we regret taking. It’s a distraction,that if we’re going to pay the increasingly ridiculous prices to see in the theater had better be pretty danged good.

car2nst
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car2nst

I’m sure Sony & Fox execs thought that rebooting & replacing actors was good for the Spiderman & Fantastic Four franchises to. Guess they were wrong….

This is why WB should just stay the course, ACTUALLY fix the problem & truck on. The actors are not the problem nor have ever been in theses movies…it’s the story, & mostly WB’s meddling.

Your answer does not solve the problem & would just be doomed to repeat itself all over again, just with different actors. Some people just don’t learn from their mistakes….

sundevil82
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sundevil82

I guess I should clarify that I mean they’re knowledge should extend beyond the Donner version.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Superman wasn’t a deadbeat dad. He didn’t know he had a son, if he did then he would’ve been. To say that he is a father to an illegitimate son is more accurate.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I’m sorry I’m not trying to be mean or anything, I’m just pointing out that it’s a commen misconception on superman’s paternity to Jason in the film.

Superdoc
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SuperDoc MD

Although, at the same time… assuming they had intercourse during Lois’s Ovulation… meaning within 3 weeks she would have noticed her menses didnot arrive… so… OK, he’s not a “deadbeat Dad” because he didn’t know he had a kid… but he had sex with Lois, and then left planet earth less than 2 weeks later without telling her? that just makes him a Dick…then comes back hurt and upset that she’s with another guy?!? Stalking them/invading their privacy even… either way, this Superman is not honorable.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Yeah, I wasn’t happy about that part of the film either. It was out of character for superman to leave Lois without an explanation. I do think Lois knew he was the father because she said “how could you leave us?”, referring to when she was pregnant. However I don’t think Superman knew she was, and that maybe he thought she meant “us” as in the world. I’d also point out that when Lex asked Lois about who the boy’s father was, she said “Richard”, to which Lex asked “are you sure?” To me, it looks like Lois was trying… Read more »

JasEl
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JasEl

This was meant to be a direct sequel to Superman II. She doesn’t remember sleeping with Superman, amnesia kiss. That’s why she was so shocked when Jason threw the piano, she wasn’t expecting her human child to have super powers. Afterwards she figures it out, but she was clueless up to that point.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Yeah, I heard that as well.Singer meant for this movie to be a sequel but he ignored 3 and 4. I forgot about the piano though. And the amnesia from Superman 2 makes sense, unless they were together sometime after the events of Superman 2, but who knows? So then what about when Lois said at the end of the movie” I wanted to tell…”line? Did she remember? Did seeing her son throw the piano trigger a memory? Did she retain some memory from the events of superman2? I know she told Superman about their son while he was in… Read more »

NeoRanger
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It was too long ago to find a source, but Singer had implied that the mind-rape kiss didn’t happen in his version. I believe he was going more for “she wasn’t sure whose kid it was”, because she entered into a relationship with Richard shortly after Superman left.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

It’s to bad there wasn’t a sequel. I wonder how superman would’ve approached fatherhood, and where the Superman,Lois, Richard would’ve gone.

Superdoc
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SuperDoc MD

This still doesn’t excuse the fact that Superman leaves her shortly after sleeping with her, and not telling her…

lets for argument sake say its less than 7 weeks Gestation (5 weeks from conception) – at 7 weeks, superman surely could have heard an extra,very fast heart beat coming from within lois… whether or not he thought she’d be pregnant still doesn’t excuse leaving someone that soon after having Sex… having sex then Ghosting someone?…this behaviour wouldmake him the most hated man in the world among Women’s Forums..

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Yes I do agree with you. He should have told her where he was going especially since they were intimate. Not that I’m excusing his behavior, but I do think that it’s possible that Superman didn’t think he could get Lois pregnant. Technically they are both different species. Superman is Kryptonian and Lois is human. For some reason they decided for the sake of the story that humans and Kryptonians can produce offspring. If I remember correctly , in the show Lois and Clark, Clark and Lois could not conceive a child do to the fact they are different species.… Read more »

JasEl
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JasEl

“And will Henry’s Superman make an appearance in next year’s “Shazam!” movie?

“I obviously can’t talk about that,” he told ComicBook.com”

That’s a yes

sundevil82
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sundevil82

Hopefully it’s more of a team up rather than taking Superman Down a peg so Shazam can have his moment. I’m so sick of that unoriginal idea.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

What if it turns out that Superman trains Shazam in this film? Like Shazam barely stops a catastrophe, only to have Superman show up in the nick of time to save the day. Then he says to Shazam something along the lines of” That’s a nice try, but let me show you how it’s done.” Then we see Superman training Shazam on how to be a hero,and even team up against the movie’s villain. That’s just a thought. It could happen that way.

Clark_Jo
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Clark_Jo

I doubt he will have more than a cameo if anything.

jer
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jer

This is a NO (Superman) TOOL ZONE”

You took the words right out of my mouth, please don’t have Superman show up in the Shazam movie as a ‘second banana’, just to make him look bad, so other characters can profit so they can look good – Superman is the flagship, so don’t’ cheapen this icon – besides, this has been done in an “Animation” version “Superman / Shazam”.

LarGand
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LarGand

I’ve got a bad feeling about this … I suspect he will be in ‘Shazam’. But then I also hear that he’s only got one more movie in his ‘Superman’ contract. And given what a let-down Justice League was, I’m wondering whether Warners might be considering starting from scratch with a younger (and cheaper) actor rather than renewing Henry’s contract. I hope I’m wrong.

afriend
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afriend

WB doesn’t *have* to put Cavill in another movie as Superman. If they suddenly see the figurative light and decide to go in a different direction, they can either pay off the contract (happened to Billy Dee Williams in the Batman films), put him in a “comparable project” (that’s how Roy Sheider ended up doing Jaws 2), or they can just let it expire (see previous cinematic Superman Brandon Routh). There’s no guarantee that he will ever wear the cape again…

Superman2878
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Superman2878

It’s a shame that Routh’s contract expired. He was a good Superman.

kal-bert
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kal-bert

I agree with you. Routh’s problem wasn’t specially him but the movie overall. The same that happend to Cavill’s Superman, he did what he could with what they gave him. Unfortunately when they allowed Cavill to get the right Superman, the movie wasn’t at the same level.
Of course I’m speaking about Justice League.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I hope to meet both Cavill and Routh someday. I hear that they are both nice to the fans.

car2nst
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car2nst

Except Billy Dee Williams was not the one of the main characters like Superman is in the DC movies. He had a small supporting character role at best.

car2nst
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car2nst

LOL…LOVE the downvote for stating the truth. Billy Dee Willimas a minute character in Batman and not the main character. Look how well the 3rd & 4th Batman movies flopped after recasting Keaton with Kilmer & Clooney. Point made…lol it was only more than a decade after those movies was it a good idea to reboot & recast. See, sometime recasting so soon is NOT the best idea as has been proven in Hollywood multiple times

cpm72586
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cpm72586

Actually, Batman Forever did quite well for itself, and did much better then Batman Returns.

car2nst
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car2nst

uh…NO…lol The casting of Catwoman & Penguin were praised more than the choices in Batman Forever & Batman Returns & the budget was lower so it actually made more profit than Forever and Batman & Robin (both of their Budgets were more than Batman Returns). you know…that number thing…and both Batman & Robin & Forever had horrible reviews critics and viewers alike, and considered the 2 worst Batman films. Where do you get your information from??
Sorry…try again

Hollywood
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No rush.

LarGand
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LarGand

Please, please, PLEASE give us a ‘Man of Steel 2’ starring Henry!!! With a good script, a worthy villain (surely it’s time to see Brainiac on the big screen), high stakes and Hans Zimmer’s Superman theme. Just help me wash the bad taste of ‘Justice League’ out of my mouth …

Clark_Jo
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Clark_Jo

Of course there isn’t a plan for Superman, WB is far too busy with their 15 Harley Quinn movies. I’ve got no issue with Flash, Batman, Wonder Woman and other big players getting their own films, but the current state is a bit ridiculous. Harley solo, Harley and Joker, Suicide Squad 2, Gothem Sirens and Birds of Prey are all in the pipeline abd all feature Harley Quinn. Like why is BoP headlined with Harley Quinn on the team? Meanwhile Henry is waiting for an opportunity to talk to the guy who talks to the guy who makes the decision… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Unfortunately you may be right.

Kal-Ed
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Kal-Ed

We’re all counting on you Henry. Bring it on but take your time to tell a good story. Personally…I’d prefer the Exile storyline to be filmed. Wishful thinking though.

redcape
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redcape

First…we all want a sequel. But when you look at the end result of Justice League there was a major plot point that was never dealt with. In BvS people saw Clark in a casket and were there while he was buried! Unless Clark Kent is officially written off, how are they going to deal with this? He can’t just walk back into the Planet as Clark and act like nothing has happened. This is going to be a tricky part of any sequel and is one BIG problem that was created by releasing SZ and not having it dealt… Read more »

afriend
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afriend

Given how little the previous films cared about the characters, I bet they all assumed it’s his thus far unmentioned identical twin brother, Mark Kent. People kept slipping and calling Clark anyway, so he just goes with it.

Marnoman
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Marnoman

That is one of the many things that annoyed me about all previous films so far. Their handling of Clark Kent. For me personally, Clark is who he is. Yet that side of his life has been pretty much torn to shreds in this DCEU. I wasn’t too happy with the fact that we were getting robbed of the whole Clark/Lois dynamic forever as she knew Superman was Clark from the start, but I thought maybe they are going for a fresh take and they will do other cool stuff with their relationship. Nope. Plus, as you say, they have… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

As far as I’m concerned Cavill has had more then enough chances. It’s time to move on. Whether it’s his fault or not is irrelevant. This incarnation has been a bust, and it would be a mistake to continue with it. Cavill’s Superman stumbled right out the gate, and has never been able to recover. First impressions are key, and not only did he not make a good first impression, he hasn’t made a good second, or third impression, either. How many chances can WB continue to give him? It would be much wiser to reboot, and start fresh in… Read more »

kal-bert
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kal-bert

The problem with your comment is that this time the only good thing people are talking about Justice League is Cavill’s Superman. His problem was how the character was handled at 1st and 2nd movies (not so specially badly in the 1st one), and when they gave him the chance to shine (and he did shine in JL) the movie wasn’t good enough. The other problem starting with a fresh franchise is that now they’ve found the right spot with the tone of the movies and starting again will be exactly that: trying to do things right. For now they… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

“The problem with your comment is that this time the only good thing people are talking about Justice League is Cavill’s Superman.”

Oh, people were talking about Cavill alright. They were talking about his stupid CGI mouth. I don’t remember seeing a whole lot else besides that.

car2nst
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car2nst

So do you blame Clooney for the Bat-Nipples then? (or The Bat-Master Card) since that is pretty much what remember from that movie. The CGI Mustache has nothing to do with Cavil abilities playing Superman himself, but the post production/CGI team’s either lack of skill, &/or time/finacial restraints from last minute reshoots.

Besides I seem to recall reading & hearing a lot of people liked how Superman was “finally” portrayed in JL over BvS.

It seems to me you are personally attacking the casting choice of Cavil’s Superman, for things out of his realm of control

cpm72586
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cpm72586

The bat nipples, and master card were out of Clooney’s control. Cavill’s CGI mouth was also out of his control. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s sadly one of the more significant things he’s known for in the role then anything regarding his actual performance.

car2nst
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car2nst

Thats where you are wrong. People do not associate Cavill’s performance & portrayal of Superman from the CGI ‘stache.,,.but rather the JL Movie itself. Only haters & trollers would go to such lengths to make the 2 synonymous. Cavil’s Superman is not as bad as you are falsely making it out to be. I have yet to read many articles that they should can him or replace him,., but yet again as I have stated (to your silence) people have over Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex & Leto’s Joker (and the solo joker movie does not count as that has not even… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

I’ve said I get the sense general audiences are largely indifferent towards Cavill. Meaning they don’t like, or dislike him. I’m sure they think he’s fine, but overall couldn’t care less if they ever see him in another movie, and that will continue the trend of less then stellar box office numbers. The stench of failure is all over Cavill’s Superman, and would be very difficult to overcome going forward.

car2nst
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car2nst

No…actually the public views Cavil as Superman just fine. (from his acting of what he had to go by from what was written, his look & physique, his costume & his on & off screen persona & enjoyment of the character ) Only a few minority doesn’t care for him. Please show me credible articles that state otherwise. Cavil is up there among the top Superman actors. Christopher Reeve being the best of course. It’s obvious from your numerous posts you didn’t care for him, but that opinion is in the minority & hardly the problem with his Superman in… Read more »

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I almost talked to Christopher Reeve once. He was on the Larry King show and they were taking calls. Unfortunately for me, by the time I called the station there was a busy signal and they had just taken there last caller. I wish I could’ve talked to him.

car2nst
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car2nst

Damn Spidey2878, that would have been awesome. Sorry you missed the chance.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Thank you.
Yeah, it was unfortunate. But at least the episode was pretty cool. He talked about his time as Superman, and his thoughts on Smallville.

car2nst
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car2nst

I wouldn’t call Henry Cavill’s portrayal a bust at all. He looks the part, & aside from the writing of his character (which has nothing to do with the actor) that can be fixed by good scripts, writers, & directors. Plus in his own time he does numerous charity events/appearances as Superman, and even his personal social media posts showing his enthusiasm as Superman…you can’t get closer to the spiritual embodiment of Superman than that.

cpm72586
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cpm72586

Brndon Routh wasn’t the problem with Superman Returns. I’m sure he could have done better with a better script, and director. How about George Clooney? Was he a problem with Batman and Robin? Bet he would have made a great Batman under different circumstances. Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern, too. All these guys got screwed by bad scripts, and bad directors, but it is what is. Hell, those guys only got one chance. Cavill has had three, and failed to find any kind of solid footing. Studio execs don’t make decisions on unreached potential. They look at the numbers, and… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

What numbers are you referring to? (as in the actually casting of Superman & not the movie as a whole) Most people have accepted & liked Henry Cavill’s casting choice as Superman….(unlike Jesse Eisenberg’s casting or Jared Leto’s Joker, BOTH of which have had a lot more controversy) This isn’t like the Ryan Reynolds in Green Lantern that exists outside of the current DC movies, where he played basically himself (& was written more like Guy Gardner’s Green Lantern instead of Hal Jordan’s) Other than the direction of how his character was written, Cavill has more public approval. Like I… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

This has nothing to do with Cavill, and his performance. I’m just laying out the situation, and how WB very likely feels about it. Whether people like Cavill or not is irrelevant. Frankly, I think audiences are generally indifferent towards him because he’s been that mediocre, and forgettable in the role, but that’s besides the point. This is all about the numbers, and how the studio very likely views Cavill’s series of films. WB thought MOS should have made more money then it did. WB no doubt thought BvS would crack a billion dollars. It didn’t. The less said about… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

The situation, as you call it of recasting the role of a main character in a franchise (excluding injury, death & other unforeseen uncontrollable events outside of filming a movie) is just a dumb and pointless move. I state again, would cost them more money than what they have lost previously. It all comes down to that. THOSE are the real numbers. It’s actually easier and less costly to replace people within the WB company that nobody knows who they are vs the bad publicity of deciding to recast a celebrity) That would also just feed more fuel to the… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Besides, Cavill’s casting as Superman & even his written Portrayal of the character are still better than the “Thank God it Never Happened” scrawny, receding hairline with a mullet, overacting Nicholas Cage as Superman. Even Cavil’s Costume was designed better than Cage’s. So it could have always been worse…

cpm72586
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cpm72586

So, he’s better then Nic Cage? Gotcha… Hell of an achievement. We’re really setting the bar high here, huh?

car2nst
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car2nst

Actually yes…since Nicolas Cage is an established, high profile Celebrity/Actor (his acting talent is debatable), I’d say Cavil is doing quite well as Superman, for someone with a smaller resume than Nicolas Cage.

Clark_Jo
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Clark_Jo

According to Batman-News there’s a rumor that WB wants Superman to have a role like Nick Fury has in MCU.
Where he’s the guy bringing the team together and having this big supporting role. The “connective tissue” if you will. He would have a supporting role in all the movies, but like Sam Jackson, Henry wouldn’t star in his own.
I believe BMN was referencing Collider as the source, but who knows.

sundevil82
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sundevil82

No doubt because the idiots in charge don’t know what to do with the character. I truly despise the execs.

Clark_Jo
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Clark_Jo

They definitely seem to be pandering to some TA.
I don’t know what they are using for atmospherics, but I think there is this “girl power” thing going on.
Which is fine, we could use some female leads, but not at the sacrifice of the rest of the line up.

afriend
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afriend

Push the button on the DCEU already! Start fresh with Batman and Superman (even though I genuinely like Ben Affleck as Batman), distance the Wonder Woman sequel from what’s come before, and in three to five years we can have a Justice League film that actually becomes a pop culture milestone like the Dark Knight or Avengers or Star Wars films are.

cpm72586
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cpm72586

I agree start fresh with Batman, and Superman, but I wouldn’t even try for Justice League again. At least not for a good long while. Like you said, distance Wonder Woman from what came before. Aquaman as well, and just keep them in their own worlds. Same with the the new Batman, and Superman movies if they come to pass. When all those franchises are done then they could try for Justice League again. You can’t build towards JL again with Gadot, and Momoa still in their roles, and new guys in the Batman/Superman roles. It just wouldn’t make much… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

This will not happen as long as WB makes the DC movies in the same “universe’ It would be a dumb and financial disastrous move. They have already built the franchise with the characters/actors & to do a complete reboot would confuse the average movie goer and risk ticket sale and alienating the fans, not to mention redesigning all new costumes around new actors & their measurements would have to be done from the beginning & “time is money”, Also movie Toy lines and marketing is also a colossal financial burden to start over. The answer is NOT to start… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

WB is making a solo Joker movie totally separate from the current universe. You think they’re concerned about confusing the audience? Also, with Ben Affleck’s future very much in doubt as Batman, Matt Reeves’ film could end up being it’s own thing as well.

Rebooting certain characters at this point is no more risky then continuing with things that clearly haven’t worked, or connected with audiences.

car2nst
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car2nst

Afleck’s personal demons & depression are probably the root of his back and forth decisions of staying as Batman.. The Joker we have only had in half of a movie & not 3 like Superman. Similar to recasting Mark Rufallo after Ed Norton…they did after 1 movie. It did cause some confusion but Disney/marvel pretends Ed Norton’s Hulk movie did not exists…hence during alot of movie collection set they don’t “advertise” the Incredible Hulk. Can you imagine if they kept Norton for the Avengers Movie but replaced him in Age of Ultron? Yea…..wouldn’t work so well from a consistent &… Read more »

sundevil82
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You don’t need to start over, you just need to get the right talent behind the project. It doesn’t even need to necessarily tie in to the universe…story is the most important thing. Look at Logan and how that was handled.

If you did need to address Clark’s death, I think a reworking of the Death Of Clark Kent storyline would be excellent. A more personal story is a better way to go anyway.

car2nst
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car2nst

EXACTLY!!! Some people think it would be the best move. Spiderman (what is it now, a 2 reboots in the last decade?) & Fantastic Four travesty proved why a complete reboot so soon doesn’t work & costs the studios a lot more than what they put into it.

cpm72586
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cpm72586

So if it doesn’t need to tie into the universe what does that make it? A reboot? Maybe a soft reboot? As I said in another post, Cavill’s three films are basically moot at this point. Going forward, if they do continue with him, I could see WB largely ignoring them, and just focusing on the one movie as you suggested. I’m sure they could make a halfway decent movie with that approach, but I have no interest in seeing it. I think it’s asinine I, or anyone else, should have to ignore three previous films to enjoy a fourth.… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/best-batman-superman-pool-1201738480/ Poll results would disagree with you on this. (one posted above for example) …even this site I believe had Cavill in the top 2 all time Superman actors if I’m not mistaken during a poll….LOL Besides….Remind me again how that (recasting/rebooting) helped The Spiderman & Fantastic 4 Franchise? LOL…enough said . Sorry, you are in the minority. You didn’t like Cavil as Superman…that is obvious, but make no mistake, The majority of the public & WB have no issue with him. He just need better source material written for him..as this is sidestepping the REAl problem .Rebooting & recasting… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

That poll hardly proves anything. He’s the most current portrayal, so of course he’s going to be up there in votes. Did I not say I’m sure audiences are fine with Cavill for the most part? Like I said, I get the sense there’s an indifference towards him. As in people don’t care one way or the other if he continues or not, and I think we should be aiming our sights a little higher. These movies should leave audiences wanting more, and based on the numbers for all three of Cavill’s movies, that doesn’t seem to be the case.… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Your logic is severely flawed. Jessie Eisenberg & Jared Leto are also the most recent cast for their respective characters & yet they are more hated on than Cavil. And for the record MOS did pretty well. Anyone who expected it to make over a billion dollars has no idea how the box office works, or Hollywood. WB I’m sure wants more money made but when their first 5 movies have well outgrossed Marvel’s first 5 I’d say they are doing ok (not awesome but ok) But your trollish attitude is yep lets throw it all away spend even more… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

It wouldn’t be a reboot or sequel… just a stand alone story. It can be that without referencing anything that’s come before and without tying into what the other characters are doing. I don’t understand what makes you seem to think that is Impossible. As far as the movies underperforming though, it’s absoulutely not Cavills or the characters fault. It’s the people in charge hiring the wrong people from eh get go to do this character. Snyder and Goyer tried and some people liked it and some didn’t. We don’t need to get into it, but what does need to… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Oh no,…gasp…..we MUST recast Cavil and start fresh, side-stepping the REAL problem (which is what you mentioned about the wrong people in charge …mainly WB’s meddling) and keep doing the same costly mistakes over & over (by more meddling), instead of swallowing their executive pride & owning up to their mistakes by moving forward & fixing them along the way…..according to cpm72586….ROTFLMFAO

cpm72586
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cpm72586

I’m not claiming the failures of the DCEU are Cavill’s fault. I never have. The problem is he’s associated with it, and has been a part of three films that have failed to meet expectations. That’s an issue, and one that WB is likely very mindful of as they move forward. Whether they continue with Cavill or not, you can bet it’s a decision they won’t be reaching without a lot of thought, and consideration. Everything, and anything is very likely on the table. We’ll see where things go. I’m hoping for a reboot. I have no idea if it… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

Well one things for sure. We don’t need another origin story. They’ve done enough of that. At this point they’ve sort of backed themselves into a corner. And to continue on it’s going to take some really careful decision making. To me, the ending of the JL was incoherent and incomplete. It’s left the entire series in a state of limbo that climbing out of might be to costly to even try. It’s sickening were even in this jam. But as Scotty had said the bigger question is, “where do we go from here”? Do I want to see Henry… Read more »

car2nst
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car2nst

Agree. There are dozens of story arcs they could do for each (Blackest Night would be epic) character solo movies as well as team up movies….no need to replace the actors. Like the Bond movies…(& yes they do replace thew actors..mostly due to how many years they play in the role & the actors get too old…hence why they should have cast Pierce Brosnan much sooner & Daniel Craig has gotten to old IMO) Cavil still has many years ahead of him as well as Momoa, Gadot, & Ezra Miller. Affleck is the oldest, but his character was written to… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

I don’t know… I could go for an origin that doesn’t involve Clark Kent standing by while his father is sucked into a tornado. I don’t say that to be snarky, but it is what it is. I think they could do a way better job with the origin then what was done in MOS.

redcape
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redcape

Can’t disagree on that. There are a couple scenes in MoS that shouldn’t have been presented the way they were. But the reality is, is that there’s scenes in a just about all moves that could have been directed other ways. But I for one certainly try not to let a couple of distractions dictate the entire movies make up. Unfortunately…..some do.

Marnoman
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Marnoman

I couldn’t agree more. That is still a problem that for me has echoed right up until now with his character. People might not have much of an opinion on that scene, but for me personally, it absolutely destroyed the belief that I was sitting watching a Superman film. I really loved Cavill being cast as Superman. He was my first choice and was delighted when he got the part. But truthfully, after everything I’ve seen in all 3 films, I’m not sure if I can truly see him as the character anymore. It might be Superman to others and… Read more »

cpm72586
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cpm72586

The thing I don’t get about that scene is their whole thing was trying to make Superman more relatable, right? He’s this god like being, with powers far beyond those of mortal men, so anyone who makes a film is always looking to find that relatability with him. So, I’d love to know who can relate to having the ability to save a loved one from certain death, but choosing not to. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a lot of people who would do what Clark did, or didn’t do, in that scene. I know there were… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

I as well had no problem with Zod and his demise. But I have no doubt that ZS watched all previous Superman movies before starting MoS. You remember in STM when Clark’s father had a heart attack and died. Young Clark talking to his mother said, “all these powers and I couldn’t save him”. And yet Snyder did the exact opposite. All these powers and he could have saved him yet stood by and watched him die. I know what he was trying to convey, it just didn’t make sense. We can do without that.

Marnoman
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Marnoman

Absolutely redcape. When you watch that scene in the film, you can tell it is REALLY trying to make you believe you are watching a very hard-hitting and profound moment that is exceptional character-building story telling. But it isn’t. It is utterly pointless. All it does is give Superman a more dark and awful origin story than Batman and that is saying something. It doesn’t even affect the storyline or character arc in any way, shape or form. The first thing we see Clark do in the film is save a bunch of people from an oil rig fire. So… Read more »

Marnoman
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Marnoman

Aw man, cpm72586 if I could upvote your comment twice I would! I could not agree with you more. You are completely right. During the whole build up to Man Of Steel there were so many interviews, videos, news pieces and articles where all you heard was this buzzword; ‘RELATABLE’. I don’t know how many times I heard Zack Snyder saying “We wanted to make him relatable”. Even when Han Zimmer was asked to describe the film in one word he paused and said “……HUMANITY”. This was all honestly music to my ears. Then I watched the film. He hardly… Read more »

sundevil82
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sundevil82

This scene along with the Martha scene will always be remembered For being amitious but completely failing in execution. Yes I know what both scenes were going for but they were handled extremely poorly. Whatever Snyder and Goyer were going for in both instances came off as terrible. But then again, I don’t expect much nuance from someone whose only word to describe anything is ‘awesome.’

Marnoman
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Marnoman

For me personally, I would have LOVED to see what Matt Reeves would have done with a Superman film. I know he is apparently nailed down to a Batman film, and I would still enjoy seeing that, but I would have much rather have seen him take on a Superman story. After seeing his Planet of The Apes films, he quickly became one of my favourite directors. Those Planet Of The Apes films basically represented everything Man Of Steel and all other DC films should have been. The main point is the attention to storyline and character. Every single decision… Read more »

Superman2878
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Superman2878

Out of curiosity, would an opinion poll on what should be done with superman in the movies and how it should be made help with the success of the films? If WB listens to what the fans want, might that help? I’m just wondering what other people’s thoughts are.

Marnoman
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Marnoman

Man, I wish it were the case.

cpm72586
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cpm72586

Couldn’t have save it better myself. The only thing I disagree with is continuing with Cavill. Like you said, there’s just an awful lot of baggage there. Also, another thing you mentioned that I couldn’t agree more with is the weak Lois, and Clark relationship. That right there is almost enough reason for me to restart the franchise. I’ve never really bought Amy Adams as Lois Lane, and I think she, and Cavill have almost no chemistry together. The relationship between those two should be a joy to watch, but it’s just not. Nothing feels earned with their relationship, and… Read more »

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I can see how some fans want a reboot,but I also see how some fans want a continuation. What I am curious about is what the majority wants. Do they want a continuation? Do they want a reboot? Maybe somewhere in the middle? I don’t know how that last one could work, it’s either one or the other in my opinion. I wouldn’t mind a reboot to tell the truth, but that being said if the right person comes along and manages to have a good script for Cavill’s version, I might give it a chance.

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I don’t know what the people in charge of the current DCEU will do with this franchise. They could decide to do a man of steel sequel. They could also decide to start over with a new superman actor. I don’t know what they have planned for the franchise. Other than deciding to buy a ticket to see their film or buying a blue ray/ DVD copy of their films, I have no say in the movies they make. I guess what I’m trying to say is that it really is a matter of wait and see what they plan… Read more »

redcape
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redcape

Well this has been the big problem. The way all the WB/DC movies have ended really hasn’t set anything up for the future. Aside from Superman coming back in JL, there really hasn’t been continuity between any of them. Years have gone by and people have been raving about the way Marvel has built up their steps in one movie blending over to a another. There’s been rank comparisons between the two companies but their not valid because the comparisons are apples and oranges. WB/DC is not Marvel. I for one don’t want them to be. While sequels can be… Read more »

Superman2878
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Superman2878

I guess time will tell on what they have planned.