In an interview with Collider.com, Dwayne Johnson talks about the post-credit scene at the end of “Black Adam,” how that came about, why he pushed so hard for it, and how Warner Bros. executives reacted when they saw it.
SPOILER WARNING: While it’s becoming increasingly difficult to discuss the “Black Adam” post-credit scene without SPOILERS, fans who are still unaware of the sequence may not want to watch the video below…
Having premiered on October 20, “Black Adam” is now screening in theaters around the world.
The Rock: “We hear you.”
Well what about my voice? I’ve been saying “ Give Brandon Routh’s Superman a streaming series or movie trilogy apart from the DCEU. We have more than one Batman, we can have more than one Superman too.” yet no one at WB is addressing me or the other Brandon Routh fans who have also asked for Brandon Routh’s Superman to return. Brandon Routh Superman fans are being ignored and neglected Mr. Rock. 🙁
Wb or at least the previous regime don’t respect Supes, sorry to tell ya spidey! Rock had to fight for this and they reluctantly gave in and while I’m happy he’s back, I don’t want him to play second fiddle or punching bag to black Adam. I do have faith that since Dwayne came from wrestling he knows how to put people over and how to build up a rivalry properly. I’m cautiously optimistic going forward, but make no mistake, This is great news as Hamada, Ann Sarnoff and Toby emmerichs plans were to kill superman as a baby and… Read more »
I’m happy for you sundevil82, I really am, but when the Rock said that he’s listening to fans, I can’t help but think he means only Henry Cavill Superman fans and not all Superman fans. Excluding the fans who aren’t Cavill Superman fans. So while he may have fought hard for Cavill’s Superman, I just get the impression that he didn’t fight hard for every version of Superman or didn’t fight for them at all.
When you say Henry Cavill Superman fans, do you mean the one created by Snyder?
Like that specific version?
When Discovery came in they said their main priority was revitalizing Superman as brand.
As a whole.
On ALL platforms.
(They are not using Snyder’s crest to establish a Superman franchise.)
I’m talking Henry Cavill Superman fans. Weather if it’s Snyder fans or not. I’m talking about henry Cavill superman fans in general.
Once someone is cast as a Superman they are a Superman Forever
That’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that I get the impression that the Rock has only been fighting for Cavill’s Superman and not all Superman actors. That’s what I mean. I’ve said nothing about Superman casting.
I am saying that The Rock got Cavill to come back not for just fans of him but fans of SUPERMAN as a whole.
The Rock has been fighting for the brands of DC. Not so much the actors. And The Rock wants to see Black Adam fight a Superman.
Things have to be building up to something big like he said.
Fans have been asking for more than just Cavill. Superman fans have been demanding more.
DC fans have been demanding that DC act like DC for once.
As I said before. I get the impression that it’s only Cavill’s Superman that he’s been fighting for. I have yet to hear him say anything of the other Superman actors. If you could provide me with some info of him talking about the other superman actors, I would appreciate that.
I’m talking about the impression that I’m getting. He may have been fighting for the brand yes, but I don’t think he’s been fighting for every Superman actor. Just Cavill’s as far as I can tell. If I’m wrong then please provide me an example of him talking about Routh’s and Hoechlin’s Superman. Or any other Superman for that matter.
Is Jim Lee still working for DC? Because I remember during the DC fandom event, Jim teased an image of crisis on infinite earths. So was there a Crisis movie planned? Is it still in play or has DC/WB canceled any plans for that now that Discovery is in control?
They might be doing something darker.
I don’t know. They haven’t made any announcement on any projects that would be about this story.
Maybe for the first time in history, the comics are impacting the movies and the movies are impacting the comics.
All of DC’s Multiverse on any platform is in danger of not existing.
I don’t know about that. Maybe some influence in some stories but not all.
Being a hardcore Superman fan, please tell me you see the symbol on that Superman’s chest? Symbols are important. They are key.
I think it’s been in motion for a long time now.
Might even be possible to say since 1978.
Maybe 1938?
I wouldn’t know. The multiverse has been in shows and animated projects, but hasn’t been done in a movie before. I mean the commercials for the Flash film is heavily implying that we will see a Multiverse event of some kind, but is it a crisis event? I don’t know. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
Pre 1985 in comics there was the “Infinite Earths” concept. Meaning the story is important as a whole but is not connected to an Earth-Prime.
And when they were putting it in motion, they hid clues in their comics until the event happened.
Literally they hid clues in the comics.
They are doing it today.
SYMBOLS are KEY.
(From the Superman & Lois comic about John Henry’s Superman that killed Lois)
That could just as well be a style that the artist went for in the comic.
It implies that symbol is on the evil Superman’s Fortress. That symbol has a source. It’s design is unique.
If you go see Black Adam, look for symbols of the heroes people think belong on that Earth. Even if they are on posters.
But that could just be a style that the artist went for. He didn’t say anything about why he picked that design did he?
Did they tell people for two seasons that Superman & Lois was on a completely different Earth than the Arrowverse?
They won’t say anything if something connected is in motion.
Well in Superman and Lois’s defense, it was pretty obvious that the series couldn’t be in the same universe as the Arrowverse shows from the start of the series. There were just too many inconsistencies with this series compared to when the main characters were on Supergirl’s series and in the crossovers. For example, Superman proposing to Lois Lane in the Fortress of solitude for their show was not the same as it was in the else worlds crossover a few years back. Another prime example that I can give is in the events of the first season finale for… Read more »
They won’t say anything but they will show you.
And as far as I’m aware of, the show Superman and Lois isn’t doing what is being done in the comics with the characters. They’re doing their own thing.
Again I say that’s debatable. The people who work in comics and movies I think rarely talk to each other on what they’re gonna do within their stories. Otherwise we would be seeing exactly what’s on the big screen as it is in the comics and vice versa. And as far as I’m aware of, it hasn’t been exactly page for page or scene for scene for any such adaptation for comic to movie or movie to comic. As far as I’m aware of any movie or comic is it’s own thing. Sure there maybe some similarities and inspiration between… Read more »
They all borrow from each other.
Borrow maybe, are the same. Not likely.
Embrace the Multiverse, my friend. That’s what the “DCEU” should be. Having an Infinite Earths formula in live-action works in favor for them VS the comics. Here’s the thing about Brandon Routh’s movie. It’s called Superman Returns for a reason. It’s supposed to be an extension from Christopher Reeve’s Superman 2. So he is playing an extension to Superman from 1978. The third movie- technically making it a “trilogy”. (One could insert the Infinite Earths formula here) So where did Superman 3 and 4: The Quest For Peace go? (Insert Infinite Earths formula) Michael Keaton played Batman twice. The second… Read more »
I’ve been pushing for the multiverse with the hashtag #SupermanInTheMultiverse throughout Twitter. There’s a whole list of petitions for that hashtag on Twitter. And when you ask am I being fair? Then then answer is yes. Because that’s the whole point of my hashtag. It incorporates every and I mean every version of Superman. That especially includes Reeve. Sadly we can’t have Reeve. He would be at the top of my list for wanting his Superman to return because he’s my favorite Superman. Routh’s Superman is the next best thing for me since his Superman is a continuation of Reeve’s.… Read more »
Fans want both versions of Justice League to be canon to one timeline.
And some fans want Superman and Lois,Reeve’s Superman, Val-Zod’s Superman, Calvin Ellis Superman and Routh’s Superman too. That’s the whole point of #SupermanInTheMultiverse
Superman IS the Multiverse. That’s what I am trying to explain. All of what you want IS happening.
Look at the series Superman & Lois. You know what is at it’s core as a storytelling device for it? Meaning it will be part of every season?
The Multiverse.
Things are IN MOTION. What you’ve been pushing for is the same thing I am pushing for.
Brandon’s physical template as a Superman could be hiding ON Superman & Lois’s Earth.
In all honesty. I really can’t follow what you’re saying. I mean no offense, but I just don’t understand what you are saying. Are you saying that every Superman will eventually meet? If you are saying that eventually Hoechlin’s Superman would meet Cavill’s and Routh’s Superman for a multiverse movie event, then I would hope that you’re right. What I have been trying to do is spread my hashtag and hopefully WB would realize that we can have more than one Superman series or movie franchises with different actors playing the part.
In my honest opinion, the view of having only one actor playing the part of Superman at a time I think is dated. I mean why wait two or three years for the next installment of a Superman movie franchise when having a series to keep fans happy and entertained while they wait for the next film? They could even rotate between Superman actors for movies. One year it’s a Cavill Superman film. Then the following year, it’s Routh’s Superman who gets a film. Then Cavill gets a film a year later. And then it goes back to Routh and… Read more »
Exactly.
“It’s only the beginning”
We are on the same page, my friend. We want SUPERMAN to thrive. I wouldn’t mind seeing Routh as a version of Superman again. Maybe on a series on HBOMax. But he should not be connected to Christopher Reeve. He can have some of the themes created by Reeve’s version of Superman. From the Fortress of Solitude to John Williams music themes. Cavill, being a Superman, should have those templates as well. He can then play a better Superman more equipped with the things people love in a Superman movie. I also wouldn’t mind seeing Tom Welling come in and… Read more »
Or maybe it actually is Routh that has to fight Cavill’s Superman. That would be cool.
But usually Superman always fights a version of himself.
As tempting as that might sound, We’ve already seen that with Tyler Hoechlin’s Superman fighting Brandon Routh’s Superman. And I think at this point Superman fighting Superman is a bit cliché in all honesty.
Cliché?
That’s DC.
That’s the Multiverse. That’s the Dark Multiverse too.
Yeah it’s cliché because we’ve seen Superman fight Superman a few times already. Superman versus Superman in else worlds CW crossover, Superman versus Superman in crisis on infinite earths CW crossover, Superman versus bizarro Superman in Superman and Lois. It’s clichéd. Played out. We’ve seen it before. Give us something new.
I don’t think Cavill’s Superman merging with Reeve’s Superman makes sense to me. And I would think that there would be some Superman fans like myself who would be taken aback by this if they did go down that route. If anything I think it makes more sense for it to be Routh’s Superman to be the same as Reeve’s instead. Routh and Reeve share a continuity. Superman returns was meant to be a sequel to the first two Superman films. Cavill doesn’t share a continuity with either version of the character.If Brandon Routh is given a series or a… Read more »
I believe you’re missing the point about Routh playing Reeve when Keaton is back playing Batman in The Flash movie. For some fans, Routh being a continuation of Reeve is an insult. Some fans actually consider Superman 3 and 4 to be a continuation of Reeve’s movies. People do like those movies. Those people count. Their lore established counts. Might be completely missing the point to Lynda Carter being in Wonder Woman 1984 <—(hint hint) in a Multiverse series. Continuity. You said it. There really is none in the “DCEU”. People just assume things are because of how it is… Read more »
No, I’m not missing the point at all. In fact I think a lot of people would love to see Brandon Routh reprise the role continuing the Christopher Reeve version. I don’t know where you’re getting this “fans would be insulted by it”perception. As a fan of both, I can say that I would love to see Brandon Routh continue the Christopher Reeve’s version of Superman because that’s the version he has always played. The same role that Christopher Reeve had played. He is a continuation of the character. Most people would know that. To have Cavill play the same… Read more »
If you were insulted by the fact that Brandon Routh played the same character as Christopher Reeve, fine. But I don’t understand where you’re getting this view that some were insulted by it.
I was not insulted. I thought it was a good idea.
But there are people out there, if they think 3 and 4 are canon to Reeve’s movies, then that makes Superman Returns meaningless.
Every Superman fan wants to see their Superman again. That’s why DC is DC.
But that’s why I’m trying to spread this hashtag #SupermanInTheMultiverse. So that everyone can have a Superman that they want to see. Routh,Cavill, Hoechlin and any other actor for a Superman project. Why exclude any Superman fan? They can all have a Superman right? To say “ we can have this version but not that version” make no sense to me.
#SupermanIsTheMultiverse
Make it known that without any version of him in live-action none of this would even be possible.
But isn’t that similar to what I’ve been saying? Everyone can be happy if we have the multiverse. Have multiple Superman projects. No one gets left out. Everyone is happy.
Well I haven’t heard of any fan making that kind of complaint. If anything, I’ve heard of some Superman complaining that when Superman Returns came out that Routh was too much like Reeve and wanted a different take. Ironically the opposite was true for Cavill. To different and nothing like Reeve. But then Routh’s Superman had mostly positive opinions about his Superman. It was the direction that Singer took the character that was an issue.
What you’re saying kind of sounds like what The Flash movie was going to do with Cavill’s movies.
Now something has changed.
Not entirely. See Routh’s continuity was made to be part of Reeve’s continuity . Cavill’s Superman never was. Zack Snyder wanted to start from scratch when he made Man of steel. So if what you’re suggesting is true, then Cavill would replace any existence of Christopher Reeves’s Superman. And I think a lot of Superman fans including myself would not be happy about that.
The difference that I would say is that Routh’s Superman tried to continue Reeve’s Superman, he wasn’t replacing him. If the Flash Movie has Cavill’s Superman merging with Christopher Reeve’s superman because of some multiverse event, then that would mean he’s replacing Christopher Reeve’s Superman. And I think a lot of people would not be happy about that. Cavill is not a continuation of Reeve where as Routh is.
And as far as I’m aware of, the crisis on infinite earths crossover that happened a few years back had callbacks to Superman three and four. There was a plaque with Lacy Warfield’s name on the memorial wall of Joker’s victims. Lacy was the woman Clark very briefly dated in Superman 4 the quest for peace. Routh’s Superman also mentioned to Tyler’s Superman “This is the second time I’ve gone nuts and fought myself.” implying his fight in Superman 3 with himself. So there could be the possibility of Routh’s Superman being an alternate version of his Superman as well… Read more »
You just nailed what I have been saying!!
And as far as I’m aware of, the crisis on infinite earths crossover that happened a few years back had callbacks to Superman three and four. There was a plaque with Lacy Warfield’s name on the memorial wall of Joker’s victims. Lacy was the woman Clark very briefly dated in Superman 4 the quest for peace. Routh’s Superman also mentioned to Tyler’s Superman “This is the second time I’ve gone nuts and fought myself.” implying his fight in Superman 3 with himself. So there could be the possibility of Routh’s Superman being an alternate version of his Superman as well… Read more »
Physical Templates.
They can look like one Superman, have the history of another version, to make an equation of a specific Superman.
Universes end.
Even the ones that have the templates or Routh and Reeve.
Universes, also by a Crisis, can be altered.
But there is nothing right now to explain Cavill’s importance during one.
Technically, also not Reeve as well. It wasn’t his template standing in the battle of the Multiverse.
But I don’t think that would work with most fans. I think that if Cavill were to all of a sudden have Reeve’s Superman’s history, that could upset not only Reeve fans, but Cavill’s fans as well. Reeve fans would be upset because they might feel that their Superman is being replaced by Cavill. Cavill fans might feel upset because of Snyder’s work being replaced with Reeve’s universe. I could see a possible team up of Routh’s Superman and Cavill’s Superman. Like Routh’s Superman winds up on Cavill’s world, and Cavill has to figure a way to send him back… Read more »
You’re missing the point of the series Superman & Lois.
Henry Cavill is 40 years old. He doesn’t need to have a Superman telling him how to be Superman.
Storywise, he should be a Superman who’s been active for years.
Like Superman & Lois.
Well they cast older actors to play younger characters all the time. Henry could still play a 30ish year old Superman while Routh plays a 50ish year old Superman. And from what we’ve seen of Henry’s Superman throughout the movies, he’s inexperienced. Whereas Routh’s Superman is literally supposed to be older and more experienced than him. Let’s not forget, he’s a version of Reeve’s Superman. He’s been around longer.Therefore he can give advice on where he needs to improve on his Superman. Maybe tell him his own mistakes so that Henry could learn from them.
Like in this photo here.
He’s been downgraded to the CW. Chances are, if you see this. It will be on Superman & Lois.
On the big screen, it will have to be something with Reeve and Cavill.
Well I don’t believe that.
Why use a cgi Reeve when Routh is an actor who has proven to fill Reeve’s boots? A cgi Reeve would be to Erie and possibly to creepy to attempt . Look at what they did with Admiral Tarken in Rogue One. That actor passed away years ago, and it was just unsettling to see him brought back through cgi. And quite frankly I think it’s tasteless to do especially for Reeve’s Superman.
Reeve and Cavill is the balance for movies. Not Routh and Cavill.
CGI Reeve is too creepy and morbid. Let the man rest in peace Routh is the way to go for this crossover.
Clearly we’re not gonna see Eye to Eye in this whole conversation. I wish you well goodbye.
Agreed, man. We will just have to see how things go. Hopefully the future for ALL Superman’s on ALL platforms looks bright.
Take care.
You too. Goodbye
“The Multiverse has been a thing in the comic book world for decades, and decades, and decades, and I think it’s a good time to take it into [the movies]. It’s also very special that our Multiverse is not just a Multiverse of characters, it’s a Multiverse of films. It’s a cinematic Multiverse as you might already know by looking at the names that are showing up like Michael Keaton reprising his role as Batman, it’s very exciting and one of the reasons that I got closer and closer to this project.”
-Andy Muschietti
That’s what I’m trying to do with #SupermanInTheMultiverse.
I have a ton of posts for that hashtag on Twitter. I really don’t know how many I have at this point actually.
This is from the latest issue of Dark Crisis.
The Infinite Earths is being shown as a double helix.
DNA.
As far as I know, WB has made no plans to do that as a movie. If you have a source on that please let me know.
Why do you think it has to be THAT story? Why can’t it be a continuation and ending to the actual event?
Dark Crisis? I don’t know. You brought it up.
Dark Crisis? I am saying why do you think it has to have the history in live action to even get there? I am saying why can’t a Crisis live-action movie be the finale to that actual comic event?
Are we talking movies or comics now? Because you lost me.
Movies rarely if ever make live direct adaptations from comics. I can’t think of one movie that is a direct adaptation page for page made into a film. I don’t know if watchmen counts because I’ve never seen the comic book which it is based on.
Now this would take proper planning to actually do.
It’s just assumed it’s the TV version of the 1985 comic event.
To tell the truth, it’s hard for me to keep track with what happened in Barry’s timeline. I don’t even know how many times he’s traveled into the past and changed things.
I actually believe The Flash movie is a Superman mystery story. So yeah, they will meet.
And there probably is a Crisis already being filmed.
The Crisis the movies create would have to built within whatever The Flash movie sets up as a unified multiverse.
And yes, there can be more than one Superman going at the same time. But within reason.
Videogames also count. Cartoons count. Anything Superman counts. ANYTHING.
Not ONE. All count.
If you’re saying that you think that there will be a crossover of Routh’s and Cavill’s and other versions of Superman in the Flash film, then I hope you’re right. Unfortunately I get the feeling that’s not what we’re going to see. I for one don’t think it’s unreasonable for Routh, Cavill and Hoechlin to all be playing Superman at the same time for their own projects or for a crossover. We haven’t had a Superman cartoon for a while, so we’re due one. And as for video games, I really want a good one. One that surpasses the Batman… Read more »
You know that Snyder’s whole trilogy is a Multiverse engine story?
His three movies are part of a Multiverse Saga.
What I am showing you is LEGIT. Try it for yourself.
One screen. Two movies.
Superman on top, Man of Steel on bottom.
Start at exact same time so the timestamps line up exactly.
When you do this, it will look like this.
You will see things like this. Might not make sense at first. The reflection might be hard to see.
Then it gets more intensified as it moves.
And it just moves and moves.
Perfectly in sync.
Even filled with jokes.
Then you will start to see there is actually a reason.
And it goes beyond one movie.
For actual purposed of this moment, I show the timestamps on both movies.
Keaton gets a third movie called Batman Beyond.
Cavill gets a sequel called Superman Forever.
(Made this on the 10th of this month. Posted it on Twitter. Made it really look hand drawn for a reason. Black Adam inspired. Fans don’t draw symbols wrong. Even fans in a fictional world with a Superman)
I’ve been even pushing for Keaton’s Batman. I’ve been saying if we can have multiple versions of Batman in the theaters then we can have multiple versions of Superman too.
Hey. Can we take a step back for a minute here and bask in the fact we are going hardcore on Superman again?
He is in the spotlight. This is awesome.
I joined this site sometime between 2010-2013. I was hardcore with Smallville from the day it aired to the day it ended. Christopher Reeve’s Superman was my babysitter.
It took Cavill to get me to talk about Superman, let alone any franchise, online.
This site should be jumping by I believe…December of this year. We will get a movie announcement. Late December.
#SupermanForever
Well I’m happy for you that you have a superman that you enjoy seeing. I’ve always gone by the belief that everyone should have a version of Superman that they love and enjoy. So if you’re happy then that’s great. I’m currently happy with the show Superman and Lois. I would love it if Brandon Routh would come back to the superman Role though.
Lois is the key.”
-The Flash Batman V Superman
I guarantee you something about that ties back to Superman: The Movie and time travel.
So yes. Continuity can be completely erased.
Also, I love the series Superman & Lois. That show should be your guide to “Superman” in the Multiverse right now considering he is the only Live-Action version actually in play.
Because of the Multiverse and a Crisis.
You lost me on that one. I mean Superman the movie had time travel and so did BvS and Snyder’s JL, but unless the writer or director specifically said it’s connected, then it mostly likely isn’t I would think. Of course there’s been a change in regime for DC movies, so who knows?
Superman 1 and 2 was filmed at the same time. They pulled the time travel act in the first movie because they thought the first would flop.
It would have ended on a cliffhanger.
Superman 2 would have had him easing all the events of the first two movies starting a timeline completely over. Which he did in the first movie.
This means something.
The movies Snyder did are perfectly synced in ways that can only imply there is some type of merge going on or did go on. I don’t know.
Time travel can be weird.
“There was a time above. A time before. There were perfect things. Diamond absolutes. Things fall. Things on Earth. And what falls, is fallen.”
-Bruce Wayne BvS
I can’t delete this thread. LOL.