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I have always noticed that in the later seasons of Superman shows, the writers lazily tend to make Superman faster than ever to minimise exposition screentime that shows him doing something. If you watch the later episodes of Lois and Clark and even The Adventures of Superman with George Reeves, Superman seems to be able to change into his costume at the blink of an eye, whereas in earlier seasons, it would take him a few seconds.
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Johnjones
Gothamite, rather they do it on every Superman series or not, it at least makes more sense on this show. This is about the early development of Superman's powers. Smallville has always either shown him gaining new abilities, or gaining more strength in his already existing ones. In season 1 he was barely able to move out of the way of a speeding bullet. By season 5 he was able to run to South America within 30 seconds. Now he's able to superspeed between words and fight crime. Rather you like it or not, at least it's been built and is consistant on this show.

Also, another ability that has been improved on his his superjump. Season 2 had him struggle to make it between two buildings that were side by side. In Season 4 he jumped a longer distance between a bridge and and 18 wheeler. In Season 5 he caught a missle. In the 6h Season he jumped clear across Metropolis.
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AKalel
I agree they should of had this episode a little closer to the 31st. Also I think the point someone was making about CW and Smallville is at least it was last time I checked if you lived outside of the US you could not fully access their Smallville website. I find it interesting there is thing called the World Wide Web and yet in some cases everything on it is not always accesible to the Whole Wide World. As for next weeks Touyman might be good but Clarks new power worries me. Re the guy who unleashed the plague without checking with Zod I think (mind you this will probably never be said) was so he could show thew other Kryptonians he should be there leader cause as far as we have seen Zod realy has not done anything. Plus re the plague I think it was neat by why did it have to those infected into zombies I found that real dumb why not just turn them into mindless bodies that would obey whomever infected them.


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Supereyes
Johnjones wrote:
Gothamite, rather they do it on every Superman series or not, it at least makes more sense on this show. This is about the early development of Superman's powers. Smallville has always either shown him gaining new abilities, or gaining more strength in his already existing ones. In season 1 he was barely able to move out of the way of a speeding bullet. By season 5 he was able to run to South America within 30 seconds. Now he's able to superspeed between words and fight crime. Rather you like it or not, at least it's been built and is consistant on this show.

Also, another ability that has been improved on his his superjump. Season 2 had him struggle to make it between two buildings that were side by side. In Season 4 he jumped a longer distance between a bridge and and 18 wheeler. In Season 5 he caught a missle. In the 6h Season he jumped clear across Metropolis.


Yeah, by this point, I like looking at Clark's super speed time amount to be 30 seconds to get to Metropolis from Smallville.

Lately, I've been having a problem. It really pisses me off. I wouldn't mind if Clark took Lois, or Chloe for a speed only if they were unconcious, it's just that in "Infamous" Clark grabs Lois in super speed, saving her from getting shot, and then the next shot, he instantly arrives in Smallville.

Problems were that I don't like for a fact that Clark could go that fast, if so, he could catch two bullets at the same time, because he couldn't do that in "Siren." And...the other problem is, he is taking Lois in his super speed ride, from Metropolis to Smallville, at that speed...wouldn't Lois get motion sickness? Big plothole.

The first time Clark tried super speeding out of Smallville to another place was in "Ryan." Took him some time, since it was the first time he was trying that out.

In season 5, like you said, Clark ran from Smallville to Central America within 30 seconds, (quite inspiring how fast he can go, and I love that it's that way.)

But in "Beast" it took at least 5 minutes for Clark to get to the Fortress from Smallville. Carrying Davis with him, has nothing to do with it, slowing him down.

And to point out...speaking of "Infamous" that even though the idea was bad to happen in "Infamous" for Clark to tell the wolrd his secret, it was going to be about that anyways, I would have been fine with it, if only they didn't make that mistake by Clark taking Lois from the DP to Smallville that fast, and Clark putting on the Legion ring;going back in time to solve the problem, but to be more specific, so Caroline Dries could solve the problem for herself.
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Supereyes, I meant literally the speed at which he is traveling. To not notice that someone disappeared, accomplished something and came back literally between 2 words of a moving sentence is just too fast IMO. Might as well have "beam me up" capabilities at that point. They Made Bart faster than him. Bart was so fast he could travel over water...Clark couldn't. But technically at the speeds they have him at, he could. Hes so fast he's moving through time. I think that takes away from suspense needed in some episodes and leaves plot holes. I feel like I need to know that as fast as he is there will be times he just might not make it on time. KWIM? I could go on with my reasons and how sometimes they will not make him fast enough to do something which will just be stupid because of all the episodes we can refer back to where he was faster. But I think I made my point. You don't have to agree. I just like my fantasy to dwell with reality. And not be total and complete fantasy. I want Superman/Clark to live in my real world. Not in the land of make-believe. But alas, I am very used to not getting what I want Pfft


Hell yeah. I have that problem, but speaking of the super speed, not only to I get disapointed about the mistakes they make with it, with the time and so on, as I said above, but also I get disapointed when they don't use super speed, or just use the sound effect to indicate that he ran, and I get mad when they change the special effects due to their budgets. The super speed to me, doesn't always look the same which is frustrating for me, because I want to look at this as a real show almost, but they keep changing the style of the special effects, it's hard to see it that way.

Like the training, that blue effect that surrounds Clark, shown in "Arrival." But in this season's premiere, it's different of course. It can't just change dammit.

In this episode, they just got a super speed shot by Clark's head that's all, I get tired of that.

Season 7's unfortunate ending disapointed me the most, but after that moment, I was going to give it what I thought was giving it a second chance, but after "Doomsday" I just thought, well, okay I will watch the new season, that's currently running now, but I shouldn't expect anything big, and especially not for the finale.

But seriously, after "Doomsday" I felt like so furious, and mad as hell, @%#%#%!! I wanted to hate anyone who actually liked the episode, lol. It's just season 8 started out great, and it was PS3's way of showing us they wanted an apology, and I felt like I accpeted by watching again, but being aware, that maybe not every episode will be great, but we can at least expect them to try harder than Al Gough and Miles Millar.

But when they failed the season 8 finale, I also felt like we were dealing with this for like the thousandth time. God.

Some advice for anyone though...remember the ending to "Metallo"? It showed us something interesting, but something we din't know too much about, but when the episode ended that last shot, it meant to "Stay tunned! We will find out more in the next episodes!"

But I realized that looked like something interesting could come later, but I just remembered, oh wait, last year they were saying Doomsday and Clark would fight, and that it was going to be awesome with a cool solution but...@$%&#!!!

I couldn't stand that episode, I can't officially LOVE season 8 anymore despite that episode because it ruined it all! Episodes like "Power," "Requiem" and "Eternal" were just passing by, and in the middle.

Yeah and even though just because of that one episode, the season was still good, (I can't say great though, because if it was...that's not how you end a good season, there was no solution, it didn't conclude, just with major plotholes, unfinished) and since season 1 to season 8, it's been Smallville.

But now, they are making a big mistake by putting Clark in tights and training which was against the show's structure, this is simply what the fans wanted, but which the fans request, we all know in our heart that that could stop the story.

I can't call this the same show, it hasn't been the same show we've been watching for 8 years. The suit is a mistake. Okay, I've come to my point. I will never discuss "Doomsday" again!

I can't imagine any episode being worse, or a finale, that better not happen, IT BETTER NOT!!!

I fear Clark's new power will be a bad thing, I feel tears of sadness, even though it may sound cool it's just not supposed to happen.
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Artemis
Problems were that I don't like for a fact that Clark could go that fast, if so, he could catch two bullets at the same time, because he couldn't do that in "Siren." And...the other problem is, he is taking Lois in his super speed ride, from Metropolis to Smallville, at that speed...wouldn't Lois get motion sickness? Big plothole.

This is exactly the stuff Im talking about. And not only would Lois spend an hour/s hurling, she would be unconscious. As would the Dr when Clark transported him in Rabid. He just looked around like, how did I get here? But lets remember, most rocket scientists cannot be astronauts because their bodys cannot handle the Gforce created on lift off. Clark FAR surpasses that amount of force moving that fast. Heck, at that speed we're lucky atoms aren't separating allowing anyone Clark carries to pass right through him!

And you bring up another point mentioning Fortress...Is he jumping across massive oceans to get there? Or running on water?? Because Im pretty sure its not here in the US....

Finally, I don't know if this is some backwards mentality of mine...But I wouldnt mind so much if he were flying that (well, not quite THAT) fast. My problem is him running that fast everywhere. Flying would make more sense not just with speed, but with taking "direct" routes, not having to avoid bodies of water, traffic, people etc.
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Lex Vader
Don't you guys read Neal Bailey's review? He used to mention all the time when Clark could have solved something in two seconds. Even in the comics, they don't have him fix everything in superspeed, because if they did, you either wouldn't see it or the whole comic would be in slow motion with no chance for anything but Superman thought bubbles. It's a problem with Superman in general. On Smallville, it's just compounded by their lack of consistency, and the fact that they're always ignoring his powers.
 
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Johnjones wrote:
Gothamite, rather they do it on every Superman series or not, it at least makes more sense on this show. This is about the early development of Superman's powers. Smallville has always either shown him gaining new abilities, or gaining more strength in his already existing ones. In season 1 he was barely able to move out of the way of a speeding bullet. By season 5 he was able to run to South America within 30 seconds. Now he's able to superspeed between words and fight crime. Rather you like it or not, at least it's been built and is consistant on this show.

Also, another ability that has been improved on his his superjump. Season 2 had him struggle to make it between two buildings that were side by side. In Season 4 he jumped a longer distance between a bridge and and 18 wheeler. In Season 5 he caught a missle. In the 6h Season he jumped clear across Metropolis.


he also pretty much flew in season 1, where was the gradual development in that?
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Johnjones
he also pretty much flew in season 1, where was the gradual development in that?


Well considering two things.... One, we were told from the start that Clark would not fly on this show. Two, Clark has not been interested in learning how to fly until recently. Even when Kara tried to teach him, he was uninterested. Almost every physical power he has has developed stronger over the series. You can hate the show if you want, but you at least have admit that fact.
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Supereyes
Actually I don't mind if Clark takes Emil from the watchtower to the Metropolis General Hospital, because it''s still in Metropolis.

But taking Lois from Metropolis to Smallville in super speed? I wouldn't mind if they were knocked out though, that would be just an excuse to let Clark carry a girl in super speed to get emotion.

I mean it's very Superman iconic when Superman takes someone out flying, by carrying them in his arms, but on Smallville, Clark's transmission is on the ground, and he goes too fast.

You got to admit though, super speed can be cooler than flight sometimes, if only they wold use it. It would be nice if we had a front view of Clark speeding towards the camera, and point of view of the road going fast forward, like in "Ryan."

The best they did with season 7 was "Hero" Clark speeds and hits Lex's servent, then tosses Lex at speed, and then "Apocalypse" Clark speeds and hits both police escorts, and carries Lois at speed (not too far though, so it's fine)

But the point of that, that is SUPERMAN, and they need more super speed.

Often times they will just do one shot, of Clark super speeding away from a room, then just one more shot of him arriving.

They best they did in season 8 with super speed was "Prey" and "Identity" and even that one in "Committed" and that one in "Toxic" (except that's only one at the very end)

I just want to point out that in season 5's first half, the big action sequences or special effects weren't used until the climax or end of the episode. Episodes like, "Exposed," "Solitude," "Fanatic," and "Lockdown" didn't have FX until the end.

But with little they had in season 5, the first time Smallville became a low budget show, they made an effort for making those small visual effect scenes.

But I noticed in season 7, they had done more than in season 5 and 6, but I guess because they were doing slightly more, they had to spend money which made the budget lower, because by season 7, the special effects style changed and it looked cheap, poor, and ugly.

Not really in season 7, but ever since they were promoting for the stupid Toyota Yaris cars, by "Progeny" all the effects changed.


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superking
Well i enjoyed it!!!!...clark can travel at the speed of sound now, so the fire was a few blocks away, couple o secs work for the blur[i know there have been inconsistances with his speed/power in previous seasons] but i liked it in this episode. we know with his training his abilities are getting stronger, ive been waiting 3 seasons for this and the funny interaction with lois afterwards is pretty cool......she smells smoke and he shrugs it off clark style while blowing a slight stream of supercooled air in her coffee to cool the steam, its a bit corney cause we have never seen this in the show before...it makes me feel im watching a superman show!!...the zombies was a bit 28 days and i thought i was gonna hate it but they shot it well and the make up was really good....still wierd tho.....i dig the change in clark and it bodes well for the season, great scene at the end in the rain...it was touching and pretty intense thought they both nailed that scene, maybe im a sucker for smallville but it been a while since i dug the first 3 of smallvile.

Edited by superking on 12/10/2009 05:16

 
Supereyes
Wonder why it didn't rain blood? I understand that Clark's blood was able to cure the zombie virus but, when Chloe and Emil spread Clark's blood out from the plane, did it cause the weather to rain or something?

I don't get it though. I'm not a big zombie fan. Aren't zombies weakness' supposed to be the sun?

But the weather was stormy, so, I guess that would explain how the zombies were able to walk outside.
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superking
Supereyes wrote:
Wonder why it didn't rain blood? I understand that Clark's blood was able to cure the zombie virus but, when Chloe and Emil spread Clark's blood out from the plane, did it cause the weather to rain or something?

I don't get it though. I'm not a big zombie fan. Aren't zombies weakness' supposed to be the sun?

But the weather was stormy, so, I guess that would explain how the zombies were able to walk outside.
I think they are only I am legend zombies, other ones can....although i am no zombie expert LOL...and the rain diluted the cure that they dropped from the plane so it wasn't red, how they made it rain...im in the dark.
 
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try this again since its being ignored yet again hmmmmm

IMHO I feel this episode should have been shown the same Friday close to Halloween as a Halloween episode.
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Supereyes
superking wrote:
Supereyes wrote:
Wonder why it didn't rain blood? I understand that Clark's blood was able to cure the zombie virus but, when Chloe and Emil spread Clark's blood out from the plane, did it cause the weather to rain or something?

I don't get it though. I'm not a big zombie fan. Aren't zombies weakness' supposed to be the sun?

But the weather was stormy, so, I guess that would explain how the zombies were able to walk outside.
I think they are only I am legend zombies, other ones can....although i am no zombie expert LOL...and the rain diluted the cure that they dropped from the plane so it wasn't red, how they made it rain...im in the dark.


I am just disapointed since it was done cheaply, because there budget is low...yeah yeah "sigh" but when Lois was shrinking from her zombie infection back into Lois, it was done like the 1970's Incredible Hulk series, cut to cut, (thought that was good for it's time, that TV show was quite good)

See if, they had done it that with Davis morphing into Doomsday like the TV's Incredible Hulk series, cut to cut instead of using some crazy ass CGI, they would have been screwed by us. I mean, if you're going to have something as awesome as Doomsday, then Doomsday (on Smallville) needs a transformation scene from Davis to Doomsday, and a fight with Superman which both of these requests they never intended to do.

It wasn't bad though. Smallville could be cool and awesome as hell sometimes even with a low budget.
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SUPERMAN NORTH wrote:
try this again since its being ignored yet again hmmmmm

IMHO I feel this episode should have been shown the same Friday close to Halloween as a Halloween episode.
i personally think it would be too obvious and slightly cheesy to have a zombie episode on halloween...but thats just me. i mean the zombies...even tho they were well done....were pretty cheesy anyway right!!!!
 
superking
I hate the fact smallville has a low budget....that scene where lois changes and clark is holding her was done very well , cutting the shot worked and CGI does not alot of the time...the make up team was also spot on...so they nailed it this time , others they dont especially how they edit some scenes....i really think they try to give a comic book feel hence the cutting just like another caption or when clark superspeeds in 2 secs....thats how it would apear in a comic

Edited by superking on 13/10/2009 02:17

 
Supereyes
There's nothing else to say about this episode. The next one is written by Bryan Q. Millar, but the whole new power thing hearing people's thoughts? Mmmm...Superman would just be too powerful. It should only be fro soem special occasion, Jor El giving Clark that power only ONCE just to solve some specfic case with Toman perhaps.

This should be the villain episode, like how it should be, a Superman show, and this week, Superman faces another tough challenge-Toyman.

I mean last season obviously, Clark didn't have any scenes with Toyman.

Toyman returning to get revenge on Oliver sounds too obvious, because obviously they both had a confrontation last season, but that isn't really important, in fact I don't think that Toyman would ever want revenge entirely, he just likes to cause people trouble, and torture them.

I can't believe that Jor El and Toyman are both in this episode, that's really bizarre. What if Smallville will become more dead than ever, and even loose it's acting quality?

This doesn't look exactly like a good start. THen after this, it's about Oliver, again, in "Roulette" and originally, that episode was going to be "Idol" which is now going to be episode 8.

Say like in season 6, the first premiere episode was awesome enough, then the next episode, "Sneeze" was okay, but not that special, and then, the fourth episode, "Arrow" is what started the season and kicked ass, and got eveyrone excited.

Season 7 didn't do good that way, "Bizarro" was awesome, but "Kara" was average (forget "Fierece"Wink then the fourth episode, "Cure" is already a depressing episode, that's not how you start a season at the beginning, then "Action" is what made everyone beleive that this would be a cool action packed season, but that took a while.

Season 8's first best episode after the premiere for me was, "Committed." After that, I had faith in season 8, and I decided to forgive them for the horrible "Arctic" finale episode.

Season 9, the first two episodes are good, though I like Metallo better than Savior, much more clean. Though, "Rabid" was a little too early for it to be dark, should have been like a 6th episode, or 7th, becuase the season just started and it still has yet to come with good action.

I will just say that the way season 5 started wasn't good, because "Arrival" it was awesome, but at the end that was a pretty poor solution to the premiere, when Clark lost his powers, then the next episode...it's kind of akward, good however, it's unforunate tha Clark is powerless, looks like they were trying to avoid money to me. (OMG, I couldn't believe Clark and Lana had sex, I did not see that coming EVER. It looked to me like they wanted to forget Clark's powers)

And "Hidden" was only average, the good stuff doesn't come until the end when Clark's powers are returned, and "Aqua" is only average, and "Thrist" is a complete full episode, and not boring, but it's just dark, and it's terrible, the 5th episode is not a good place for this one.

"Exposed" wasn't good enough, the action is saved once again until the ending.

But "Splinter" was finally the first good episode, after the premiere, it wasn't boring or dull in any scenes, the only problem for me was that it was too dark to be the first "second" good episode of the season after the premiere.

When a season starts, first you should usually have a great premiere, then a surprising good second episode. (Exile, and Pheonix)

The fourth episode coming up doesn't look like it'll be that great.
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superking wrote:
SUPERMAN NORTH wrote:
try this again since its being ignored yet again hmmmmm

IMHO I feel this episode should have been shown the same Friday close to Halloween as a Halloween episode.
i personally think it would be too obvious and slightly cheesy to have a zombie episode on halloween...but thats just me. i mean the zombies...even tho they were well done....were pretty cheesy anyway right!!!!


I totally disagree 1001% Halloween is supposed to be cheesy as you pointed out just like this episode was. Halloween is about senseless fun to be celebrated. Pfft
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AKalel
I always figured that what was sprayed from the plane was not just Clarks blood but it was mixed with other chemicals. If I had to nitpick is how quick after being hit/spayed with it that she returned to normal plus I take it that was one of Ollies planes on how they were able to mdify the plane and to boot even able to get it in the air. It appeared the only people not effected by the virus were Ollie, Emil, Chloe and Clark. Finally again another plot thing that will go unanswered of these people wondering why they are wherever they are after getting back to normal and for what happenned to them in how much time has between they were effected and cured.

 
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