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Kevin Smith's comments
Rob the superfan
Again Steve Younis had hit it right on the head. Superman and Spiderman are 2 of my favorite charachters. Superman being my favorite. The charachters are always evolving and changing to adapt to the times. There is no reason to kill them off.
At the end of Justice Society # 1 they showed some preveiws for the next year. One of the preveiws showed Superman of the Golden age returning. I jumped for joy. I look forward to seeing the prespective of an older version of Superman. It will make for an exciting and new way to look at a charachter if DC does it right.
But, anyway there is no reason to kill Superman off. You have new writers with new idea coming in all the time. The Supeman story has been updated and changed at least 3 different times in my lifetime. And, if worse comes to worse you can always re-tell the old stories too.
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To those who are confused, Rob the superfan is referring to Steve Younis's recent big blue report where he addresses comments made by Kevin Smith implicating that Superman should die off:

Steve Younis wrote:
A particular report coming out from last weekend's New York Comic Convention caught my eye. The report focused on the Kevin Smith panel at the convention in which he basically stood on stage and answered questions put to him by people in the audience.

For those not familiar with Kevin Smith, the man is fairly highly regarded by many fans of comics and movies, he is screenwriter, film director, comic book writer and actor. His most popular movies are "Clerks", "Mallrats" and "Chasing Amy". As a comic book writer for DC Comics he wrote the "Green Arrow" title for over a year to critical acclaim.

For Superman fans, Kevin Smith was once commissioned to write a script for a Superman movie, but the script was never used. Some of the idiotic things Smith was asked by Jon Peters to include in the script were hilariously documented by him in "An Evening with Kevin Smith" (available on DVD and online via YouTube).

Anyway, at the 2007 New York Comic Convention Smith was asked for his current thoughts about the state of superhero fandom and came out with the opinion that "old" superheroes like Superman and Spider-Man should be killed off, the sooner the better, and that it would do them good in the long run. According to Smith, Superman should go because "you can only do so many things with the character" and he's been around long enough to have told his most interesting stories already. Smith compared Superman to Jesus, who went out on a high note and got lots of acclaim for it. He said that Spider-Man suffers from the same kind of problem, and that both of the comic icons should be killed off in high style and then left alone so that the "new Citizen Kanes" of the comic world can have a chance to rise to the top. "Give Speedball a chance!" he said.

At first I was tempted to report on this on the Superman Homepage website, but then I simmered down and said to myself, "This is just one guy's opinion. Don't give him the publicity he's obviously aiming to gain by such outlandish comments". And I held of saying anything about it on the website.

But the report kept coming up in front of me as I did my daily news hunting, and, well, I just couldn't leave it alone. I had to have my say in response to Kevin Smith's comments.


Superman and Spider-Man should be killed off, the sooner the better, and that it would do them good in the long run.


How does killing off a character permanently do him any good in the long run? In the long run he still won't be around!! It's like a doctor telling a patient, "Listen, instead of working on you any longer, I'm just gonna let you die. You'll be better off in the long run."


According to Smith, Superman should go because "you can only do so many things with the character" and he's been around long enough to have told his most interesting stories already.


Funny how Mr Smith (in his own words) got paid well to write a Superman movie script for a character who had been around for 60 years at the time, but now, less than 10 years later, that same character has no more good stories left in him. I think Geoff Johns, Jeph Loeb, and other similar writers might disagree with Kevin Smith on this point.


Smith compared Superman to Jesus, who went out on a high note and got lots of acclaim for it.


Is Kevin Smith seriously comparing a fictional character to that of a real person? The son of God no less? I won't even touch on how offensive his comment is in a religious sense.


Comic icons should be killed off in high style and then left alone so that the "new Citizen Kanes" of the comic world can have a chance to rise to the top. "Give Speedball a chance!" he said.


What nonsense! Perhaps part of Kevin Smith's comments were said tongue-in-cheek, I don't know, but why should Superman (or Spider-Man) be killed off if they're still popular? New characters are coming through and gaining popularity all the time, regardless of Superman or Spider-Man's continued existence. In the 1990s Spawn had no problem hitting the top of the comic book charts. In popular culture new characters are forever gaining popularity while still coexisting with older characters like Superman. Take Harry Potter, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Simpsons, Lara Croft, and a dozen others I could easily think of without straining too hard.

Kevin Smith has always been quite an outspoken person with some controversial ideas. Like I said originally, he's just one guy with one opinion. I don't think he'll find too many people reading this column who agree with him. I definitely don't think DC Comics would agree with him.

Thanks for your thoughts Kevin. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 
Supermark
While I am a fan of Kevin Smith, I'm a bigger fan of Superman. So I'm just going to have to disagree with him on this point as well. Given the nature of his character, I think his comments were more tongue-in-cheek than a serious suggestion.

Is Kevin Smith seriously comparing a fictional character to that of a real person? The son of God no less? I won't even touch on how offensive his comment is in a religious sense.


I disagree with Steve (no offense, dude Wink .) There's absolutely nothing wrong or sacrilegious about comparing a theological or historical figure to a fictional character. In the best case, it's meant to establish what the fictional character represents or symbolizes in a dramatic sense. It's a matter of observation and opinion.

Of course Superman is a fictional character, and no amount of comparison should exalt him as a messianic or godly figure similar to Christ. However, as a fictional character, it is inevitable that Superman does exhibit certain characteristics that are allegorically similar to Christ.

Say, for example, I compare Lex Luthor to Adolf Hitler. There's really no comparing the two figures from a historical standpoint. However, from a dramatic standpoint, the two share a few similarities, such as megalomania or the way the two are (justly) villified.

I can't speak for anyone else when they compare historical or theological figures to fictional characters. I --for one-- simply make observations.

PS: I apologize if my rant was off topic, and I certainly do not want to start a flame-war on religion.
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jp1701
Someone needs to tell Mr. Smith that Superman has already died so it is a been there, done that deal.
 
Hynad
SupermarK: I agree. There's nothing wrong with comparing 2 fictional characters together.
 
Supermark
Hynad: Dude, please don't put words in my mouth.
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Well, Superman really is a religious allegory, he echoes the stories of Moses and Jesus. It's part of what makes him such an inspiration.
 
Supermark
Thank you, dudelove. Precisely my point.
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Chiptooth
Y'know, after reading this, I just can't shake the impression that Smith may have some sour grapes in his basket.
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Steve Younis
Seems people have misunderstood my problem re: Kevin Smith comparing Superman to Jesus. I have no problem with Superman being an alegory for Jesus (or Moses). My problem is with Kevin Smith comparing killing off Superman with the death of Jesus. Surely killing off a fictional character can't be compared with the death of a real man (i.e. Jesus).
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FlashGordon
Its may not be sacrilegious to compare Superman to Jesus Chirst but it is offenise to Chirstians and also just plain wrong. Jesus Chirst walked this earth and lived a life before being brutally murdered on a cross. How can you compare someone or something of that caliber to a fictional character like Superman. Superman never lived and never will live there for he is not comparable to a living being regardless of the characters orgins. I know everyone will say hes based on Jesus and Moses but that does not matter. What Mr. Smith said was wrong and he sure has offended a long time fan.
 
FlashGordon
And not because of religon because of ill jugdement
 
Supermark
You can take offense all you want, it's really about how the reader relates to the character.

For example, when it comes to scenes regarding Jonathan Kent, I tend to compare him to my own father. I think of his guidance and how much I learned from him, and Jonathan Kent becomes all the more alive in my mind's eye.

Comparing Superman to Jesus isn't exalting a fictional character to a messiah-like level, but rather enabling ourselves to better identify and relate with the character.

I understand why you think you should be offended, but there really is precisely nothing sacrilegious or offensive about comparing Superman to Christ.
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Hynad
Especially when you consider they both fight for the same ideals!
 
Steve Younis
As a Christian I'm not offended with the tendancy to make Jesus a Christ-like figure. I do however think it's wrong for Kevin Smith to compare the death of a real person to the death of a fictional character. And that's not even touching on the Jesus as a religious figure side of it.
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jp1701
Steve Younis wrote:
As a Christian I'm not offended with the tendancy to make Jesus a Christ-like figure. I do however think it's wrong for Kevin Smith to compare the death of a real person to the death of a fictional character. And that's not even touching on the Jesus as a religious figure side of it.


Yeah but the man lived thousands of years ago. (I want to point out that this aimed at the real person argument not the religous aspect) I mean if Smith had said "Superman is really important to our culture, his death would be kinda of like Julius Caesar's in the way it impacted the Romans.
 
I think what Steve is trying to say is that kevin belittled Christ's importance or significance by stating " be like jesus, he went out on top". this makes the death of the Christian saviour as almost irrelevant as to say it would be as important. not that hes blatantly saying it but it's a small subtle tounge and cheeck underlying. i am personally a big Kevin Smith fan, and i'm obviously a superman fan, and i'm a christian. i was not offended for the most part because i am aware of kevin's smith tongue and cheek demeanor and his sense of humour, so i just rub it off as a superman fan, a christian and a smith fan.
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Jesus's death changed the world Superman's will change a page.
 
Isn't Smith catholic?
 
Steve Younis
People seem to be missing my point... Kevin Smith could have easily have compared killing off Superman to the death of Martin Luther King or John F Kennedy and I would have been put off by his comment. It's belittling the death of a real person that I'm displeased with (on top of being a Christian).
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